#SLOE: People's Basketball Sim League

If you make the Rookie/Sophomore game during the All-Star Break you should get a point. Everything else that weekend gets a participation point already so why exclude it from the list?

pennpanther1 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:00 pm If you make the Rookie/Sophomore game during the All-Star Break you should get a point. Everything else that weekend gets a participation point already so why exclude it from the list?

Agreed. Rookie/Sophomores game MVP should also be awarded a point if they aren't already.

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

AngryBanana wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:08 am #1: Get rid of paid training. I'd be happy to expand on it if wanted.

#2: Distribution of tax bill payments to other teams. Where the pot would be broken up every year that is paid and then distributed out to teams with the worst records that are not in debt. This would help promote teams that are struggling in a rebuild have more ability to build their teams up.

#3: Applying a bill TC like Josh suggested.

I LOVE #2, put it to a vote

I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

drkavarga wrote:

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

AngryBanana wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:08 am #1: Get rid of paid training. I'd be happy to expand on it if wanted.

#2: Distribution of tax bill payments to other teams. Where the pot would be broken up every year that is paid and then distributed out to teams with the worst records that are not in debt. This would help promote teams that are struggling in a rebuild have more ability to build their teams up.

#3: Applying a bill TC like Josh suggested.

I LOVE #2, put it to a vote

I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

I think he means the in debt teams pay their debts evenly to shit teams to build up shit teams. In other words the bobcats would benefit from others tax woes

What’s wrong with communism anyway?


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drkavarga wrote:

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

AngryBanana wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:08 am #1: Get rid of paid training. I'd be happy to expand on it if wanted.

#2: Distribution of tax bill payments to other teams. Where the pot would be broken up every year that is paid and then distributed out to teams with the worst records that are not in debt. This would help promote teams that are struggling in a rebuild have more ability to build their teams up.

#3: Applying a bill TC like Josh suggested.

I LOVE #2, put it to a vote

I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

1. Teams in the tax would be unable to claim this.
2. The NBA currently does revenue sharing. https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-nba- ... kdown/?amp


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And luxury tax gets redistributed too
https://basketballnoise.com/what-happen ... tax-money/

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:33 pm

drkavarga wrote:

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

I LOVE #2, put it to a vote

I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

I think he means the in debt teams pay their debts evenly to shit teams to build up shit teams. In other words the bobcats would benefit from others tax woes

What’s wrong with communism anyway?


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About 100 million dead from famine or killed in China and the USSR for one thing lol.

AngryBanana wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:50 pm

drkavarga wrote:

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

I LOVE #2, put it to a vote

I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

1. Teams in the tax would be unable to claim this.
2. The NBA currently does revenue sharing. https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-nba- ... kdown/?amp


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The NBA also has load management. Should we do that too?

I'm still not liking it unless the teams in the tax are barred from trading for points. That loophole would still be there for them.

K-100 wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:56 pm And luxury tax gets redistributed too
https://basketballnoise.com/what-happen ... tax-money/

I see one thing I like and that's harsher penalties for repeat offenders. That would be perfect for here. I know we have the penalties but adding more to it to keep teams from doing it over and over again would be ideal.

drkavarga wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:01 pm

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:33 pm

drkavarga wrote:
I despise #2. It's communism, bottom line. Why the **** would I want to help pay off another team's tax bill? They made their bed, let them sleep on it or in this case let them sleep on the streets until they pay up. This would only help out the top teams so I'm automatically against it for that reason.

I think he means the in debt teams pay their debts evenly to shit teams to build up shit teams. In other words the bobcats would benefit from others tax woes

What’s wrong with communism anyway?


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About 100 million dead from famine or killed in China and the USSR for one thing lol.

Those were dictatorships touting communism, i'm talking about the philosophy (and not claiming we've had an entire countries or whatever successfully implementing communism, but small communes? yeah some of those have been successful). i'd say the group of PBSL gm's is relatively small and communal

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:40 pm

drkavarga wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:01 pm

greepleairport wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:33 pm
I think he means the in debt teams pay their debts evenly to shit teams to build up shit teams. In other words the bobcats would benefit from others tax woes

What’s wrong with communism anyway?


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About 100 million dead from famine or killed in China and the USSR for one thing lol.

Those were dictatorships touting communism, i'm talking about the philosophy (and not claiming we've had an entire countries or whatever successfully implementing communism, but small communes? yeah some of those have been successful). i'd say the group of PBSL gm's is relatively small and communal

The best commune was The Manson Family, everyone knows that. We're not at that level yet though but with enough slimy trades we'll reach their level of notoriety in no time at all.

Now I'm confused... giving teams that are under budget extra points seems like it would create more parity, and strengthen the bottom teams, not sure how it turned into communism.

Harsher penalties for unpaid luxury taxes are fine... but you want the top teams to trade for points, because they are giving up talent and cap space to get those points. That is kind of the point, move the talent around more often. Allowing top teams to have 400+ unpaid taxes (like the old pistons) and still able to bring in younger talent is the problem. I was suggesting that teams with 400+ unpaid taxes not be allowed to bring in players or picks.

Also, if top teams are able to turn their players into blue players that means they don't have to go to the weaker teams to get blue players. That being said, training up players is bringing a whole other part of the game to life, so it's a cool idea, but it does make the strong teams stronger and the weak teams weaker.

Not training players would also make evaluating green players more important.

Any team with any amount of unpaid taxes should not be allowed to trade for players, picks, or points until they pay off their taxes. There’s too many loopholes for teams to get around their limitations caused by unpaid taxes. That would eliminate every other issue other than paid trainings and the draft lotto which both also need to go.

drkavarga wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:55 pm First of all I’d eliminate paid trainings and the draft lottery. Both of those things need to go. The lottery is a joke and has been a joke for a long time. Paid trainings are the cheap way out to getting players up to being blues and purples without a natural progression. Also I’d eliminate the playoff byes and expand it back to 8 teams per conference. No cheap byes or breaks on the way to the championship for anybody.

The draft lottery is literally how the NBA works and doesn't need any tinkering. don't tank period!
Paid training is the only way to develop players. in real life NBA(again), players put in work and time to get better. The sim doesn't allow for this naturally so we have to influence it by doing the paid trainings. it makes a ton of sense. this is a NBA simulation right? why are we looking to alter the things that happen in the game in real life.

Love the idea of eliminating the playoff bye.

Black Superman wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:41 pm

drkavarga wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:55 pm First of all I’d eliminate paid trainings and the draft lottery. Both of those things need to go. The lottery is a joke and has been a joke for a long time. Paid trainings are the cheap way out to getting players up to being blues and purples without a natural progression. Also I’d eliminate the playoff byes and expand it back to 8 teams per conference. No cheap byes or breaks on the way to the championship for anybody.

The draft lottery is literally how the NBA works and doesn't need any tinkering. don't tank period!
Paid training is the only way to develop players. in real life NBA(again), players put in work and time to get better. The sim doesn't allow for this naturally so we have to influence it by doing the paid trainings. it makes a ton of sense. this is a NBA simulation right? why are we looking to alter the things that happen in the game in real life.

Love the idea of eliminating the playoff bye.

Disagree about paid training being the only way to develop players. Haun and Leonardo played great for me without any that paid trainings so I don’t want to hear any of that.

drkavarga wrote:

Black Superman wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:41 pm

drkavarga wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:55 pm First of all I’d eliminate paid trainings and the draft lottery. Both of those things need to go. The lottery is a joke and has been a joke for a long time. Paid trainings are the cheap way out to getting players up to being blues and purples without a natural progression. Also I’d eliminate the playoff byes and expand it back to 8 teams per conference. No cheap byes or breaks on the way to the championship for anybody.

The draft lottery is literally how the NBA works and doesn't need any tinkering. don't tank period!
Paid training is the only way to develop players. in real life NBA(again), players put in work and time to get better. The sim doesn't allow for this naturally so we have to influence it by doing the paid trainings. it makes a ton of sense. this is a NBA simulation right? why are we looking to alter the things that happen in the game in real life.

Love the idea of eliminating the playoff bye.

Disagree about paid training being the only way to develop players. Haun and Leonardo played great for me without any that paid trainings so I don’t want to hear any of that.

You could “train” all the time and still not get any better. It’s no guarantee. Meanwhile, paid training is a guarantee.

It’s the difference between Charles Alleman and Angelo Romero.


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It is absolutely the only way "we" can develop players. A player getting better on their own or without training is a thing and possible. But again, are we playing a simulation or not? Players develop, they go into the lab. They go workout with other players, they do workouts, they go to camp. You keep trying to strip away things that are more like the actual NBA for some reason. You clearly are lacking on your knowledge, I mean you want the lottery to go away for Christs sake. Sit this out.

Black Superman wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:02 pm It is absolutely the only way "we" can develop players. A player getting better on their own or without training is a thing and possible. But again, are we playing a simulation or not? Players develop, they go into the lab. They go workout with other players, they do workouts, they go to camp. You keep trying to strip away things that are more like the actual NBA for some reason. You clearly are lacking on your knowledge, I mean you want the lottery to go away for Christs sake. Sit this out.

Xue Hoe, who everyone thinks is amazing (and will get paid in RFA), did not have any paid trainings. I’m sure he’s not alone but he’s a good example that backs up my point. It’s not impossible as its being made out to be but apparently you were lacking in your knowledge about that before responding. It can happen and him being that good alone without trainings derails everything you just said.

you're slow and your comprehension skills are lacking. I didn't say players cannot be good unless they're "player trained" idk why you keep bringing up example of players that are good without training. I said the only way "we" as in owners in a sim league can influence development is by training. we have 0 percent impact on a player being good out of the draft, or getting bumps in TC. that is all randomized by the software which is not reflective of how the actual nba is. two of your rule change suggestions are to remove things that happen in the actual nba. it's weird and screams "i'm not good enough make it easier for me"

Let me tell you what I miss from my first 2 drafts ... renaming my lotto picks after comic book characters! Norrin Radd and King Kaldurahm deserved to be joined by Kal-El, Bruce Wayne, Eddie Brock and Miles Morales!

Okay, I kinda get why some didn't like this practice and felt it was jumping the shark, but hell, I got a kick out of it!

As for the flurry of responses here, I love it. I don't love all the suggestions but I appreciate the engagement and brain activity. I'm going to be considering all of these and coming up with ones that I think make sense to bring to a league vote after ironing out details.

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AngryBanana wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:08 am #1: Get rid of paid training. I'd be happy to expand on it if wanted.

#2: Distribution of tax bill payments to other teams. Where the pot would be broken up every year that is paid and then distributed out to teams with the worst records that are not in debt. This would help promote teams that are struggling in a rebuild have more ability to build their teams up.

#3: Applying a bill TC like Josh suggested.

So I can purposely tank, win the lotto and for be a trash team get paid? That's a nice loophole. Let me tank for 5-7 seasons then get enough points to build a Boban. Oh there's no paid trainings anymore. Let me stack all of my those points so I can have 700 points (combined with media and other points claimed) and can be a 4th year repeater forever, after first resetting my tax. I know I am exaggerating lol.

Also back in the day we did have a thing where non playoff teams got a shared cut of tax payments but forgot why it was abolished.

Eazy P wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:52 pm
Also back in the day we did have a thing where non playoff teams got a shared cut of tax payments but forgot why it was abolished.

This is the main idea. Though I do worry about sucking getting rewarded whereas doing good should be rewarded handsomely... but some teams suck too much lol. Some teams suck due to lack of engagement. Some teams may not engage because they suck.

Hmm...

** CLOSED **

Will post points tomorrow. Thanks for the engagement, folks!

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Bummed i missed the conversation. Classic DrKavarga right here lol

Paid training is literally one of the only ways people can manipulate players in this game and put your own thumbprint on dudes. It's probably one of the more exciting aspects of the game in that you actually can build your players up. Not our fault you refused to do that. Maybe you might've done something with those players if you had.

Points!

3:
Josh
Greeps
Mamba


2:
Pennpanther
LazyTitan
Charlie
Carlos

1:
Varga
K100
Black Superman

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