Fun Kickbacks for Winning Championship

[garbageman]

I think there are some things we can do to shake up the league and give the reigning champ more than just 4 points and a "Congrats, GM" in the Skype chat.

One idea I had was that the champion can switch divisions/conferences with any team of their choosing. I'm willing to pile more fun stuff onto it, but wanted to brainstorm some ideas.

If it has anything to do with player movement or rule changes that should be voted on democratically, I'd commissioner veto, but for now, let's just hear what you want to put up for consideration if anything.

[IamQuailman]

Winning more than 4 points for a championship would be nice, but I know this has been argued before. But what if we incentivized making the playoffs more? Points? would be more anti tanking measure than rewarding championships, but just throwing it out there.

I’m indifferent on the division/conference changing, but if everyone else is in on it, I’m cool with it.

[AngryBanana]

I like the idea of incentivizing the playoffs more. It feels like lately people are under the thought of either going for it all or tanking for the next Boban.

We should make it to where the difference between having a low lotto pick and getting a playoffs spot is enough to incentives a GM to really consider both sides of the coin.


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[IamQuailman]

Just to follow up on the incentivized playoffs...

10pts for making playoffs
2pts for winning round 1
4pts for winning round 2
8pts for winning round 3
16pts for winning championship

Points are NOT stackable. So if you make it to Conf Finals and lose you can only claim MADE PLAYOFFS (+10) and winning round 2 (+4) for a total of 14pts.

Incentivized winning AND advancing.
Make playoffs, no wins: 4pts now, 10pts w/ change
Make playoffs, win 1 round: 8pts now, 12pts w/change
Make playoffs, win 2 rounds: 12pts now, 14pts w/change
Make playoffs, win 3 rounds: 16pts now, 18pts w/ change
Make playoffs, win championship: 16pts now, 26pts w/ change

Just an idea. Josh, if you want me to make this a separate thread, please let me know. Sorry to derail your original post.

You still come out on top for

[garbageman]

I'm going to kill this idea...both ideas. Bringing back awards and sim vegas, we're already reintroducing more points in an era where the average roster is much more stacked due to training. There's no increase in the amount of teams in tax jail and it's pretty hard to do that on accident. This signals to me that this is happening because we have enough points as it is. I don't want to add 75 more into the mix.

[IamQuailman]

I'm going to kill this idea...both ideas. Bringing back awards and sim vegas, we're already reintroducing more points in an era where the average roster is much more stacked due to training. There's no increase in the amount of teams in tax jail and it's pretty hard to do that on accident. This signals to me that this is happening because we have enough points as it is. I don't want to add 75 more into the mix.

Well maybe we should look at points being handed out with those (new arbitrary awards and 6 way ties for 1st place in sim Vegas). I feel like looking into those areas to reduce points and cut some fat while rewarding people for trying to be competitive and trying for the playoffs couple be a good balance?

[garbageman]

I'm going to kill this idea...both ideas. Bringing back awards and sim vegas, we're already reintroducing more points in an era where the average roster is much more stacked due to training. There's no increase in the amount of teams in tax jail and it's pretty hard to do that on accident. This signals to me that this is happening because we have enough points as it is. I don't want to add 75 more into the mix.

Well maybe we should look at points being handed out with those (new arbitrary awards and 6 way ties for 1st place in sim Vegas). I feel like looking into those areas to reduce points and cut some fat while rewarding people for trying to be competitive and trying for the playoffs couple be a good balance?

I think that's going to happen. I think Sim Vegas is going to need tiebreakers this year, and awards voting was highly incentivized because low participation led to its retirement. I'd advise peeling back the participation points a little bit there. I don't think we have a problem with the playoffs being incentivized/tanking. When I look at the teams that were in the lotto, I see a few teams who are logically rebuilding (Timberwolves, Trailblazers, Heat--though even they went after some win-now players in free agency and held onto them) a couple stewarded teams (or teams that should be stewarded--Hawks, Pistons), some teams that weren't trying to tank and made some win now moves in free agency (and the season). that just didn't pan out (Jazz, Cavs, Rockets, Nuggets, 76ers, Magic--2 had even traded their picks) and a team that wasn't outright tanking but had to sell to get out of the repeater tax (Knicks).

[Keepit100]

I'm going to kill this idea...both ideas. Bringing back awards and sim vegas, we're already reintroducing more points in an era where the average roster is much more stacked due to training. There's no increase in the amount of teams in tax jail and it's pretty hard to do that on accident. This signals to me that this is happening because we have enough points as it is. I don't want to add 75 more into the mix.

Well maybe we should look at points being handed out with those (new arbitrary awards and 6 way ties for 1st place in sim Vegas). I feel like looking into those areas to reduce points and cut some fat while rewarding people for trying to be competitive and trying for the playoffs couple be a good balance?

I think that's going to happen. I think Sim Vegas is going to need tiebreakers this year, and awards voting was highly incentivized because low participation led to its retirement. I'd advise peeling back the participation points a little bit there. I don't think we have a problem with the playoffs being incentivized/tanking. When I look at the teams that were in the lotto, I see a few teams who are logically rebuilding (Timberwolves, Trailblazers, Heat--though even they went after some win-now players in free agency and held onto them) a couple stewarded teams (or teams that should be stewarded--Hawks, Pistons), some teams that weren't trying to tank and made some win now moves in free agency (and the season). that just didn't pan out (Jazz, Cavs, Rockets, Nuggets, 76ers, Magic--2 had even traded their picks) and a team that wasn't outright tanking but had to sell to get out of the repeater tax (Knicks).

And at least coming from the awards perspective, I just tossed those out those random ones at the end there because I remembered that TV had a recordbook which kept track of arbitrary records like that so I thought why not give a +1 for those categories since they arent really stats that anyone can game to their advantage.

As a new guy looking in now, I think the league has hit a pretty good sweet spot in terms of participation for something that has been running for over a few [real] years now. For the most part we have 100% participation during the offseason with the draft and free agency and ~50% with the day-to-day during the reg season with DCs, pressers, memes, sim vegas, awards, and even voting on proposition changes like this one will probably see down the road

So yeah, I wouldnt mind if participation points were removed from awards for example because it was the same dozen or so people that are already getting points doing sim vegas, pressers, media stuff anyways because they have an active interest in accumulating points for player training and/or paying the taxman every season.

[Keepit100]

And to answer garbageman's original question - I'd totally be down for the champ to pick new divisions or switch conferences

Another idea would be to have the winning GM choose a lotto team and if that GM agrees have both sides switch spots the following season. It gives the winning GM a project to work on and the lotto GM control of what a contender looks like. I'd leave the game-planning and depth chart setting at the sole discretion of the "new" GM but anything involving player transactions would still need to be given a thumbs up from the actual GM - just an idea, not really hashed out or anything, but it might add some variety to the league, especially if the perennial contenders are getting a little bored of seeing a sea of blues every time they login to set a lineup.

And I didnt want to make a separate thread for this but with season 50 rolling around the corner I thought it might be cool to have a March Madness style bracket if the software allows it so it is a free-for-all to mark the occasion. Just shooting it out there now since teams are at different levels of teambuilding right now and if others like the idea it would give you enough time to build something to compete - maybe a 50 point prize for the winner? lol

[ballsohard]

Just to follow up on the incentivized playoffs...

10pts for making playoffs
2pts for winning round 1
4pts for winning round 2
8pts for winning round 3
16pts for winning championship

Points are NOT stackable. So if you make it to Conf Finals and lose you can only claim MADE PLAYOFFS (+10) and winning round 2 (+4) for a total of 14pts.

Incentivized winning AND advancing.
Make playoffs, no wins: 4pts now, 10pts w/ change
Make playoffs, win 1 round: 8pts now, 12pts w/change
Make playoffs, win 2 rounds: 12pts now, 14pts w/change
Make playoffs, win 3 rounds: 16pts now, 18pts w/ change
Make playoffs, win championship: 16pts now, 26pts w/ change

Just an idea. Josh, if you want me to make this a separate thread, please let me know. Sorry to derail your original post.

You still come out on top for

I’ve always thought points for winning games in the playoffs was a very interesting and fair notion.

For example: if you’re fielding a competitive team who loses 4-3 you still claim 3 points and the team that wins only gets 1 more point since game 7 is the luck of the draw sometimes.

Also this limits the championship team to 16 points but if you lose in a game 7 you still do pretty damn good in points. Food for thought.


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[ballsohard]

Didn’t see this idea was axed - my bad!


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