Party of Five - Draft picks and trades

[Keepit100]

Feel free to roast me in the meme thread and the skype chat for suggesting this. Hell, I might join the chat now to roast me

Just wanted to propose a slight tweak to trade rules for next season after yesterday's "mess"

Treat draft picks like points so they do not count against the current rule that there can only be a max of 5 players and/or picks per trade

This way, teams can send multiple draft picks in a trade to sweeten the pot without being limited to the current rule of a max of 5. You still have to adhere to the rule that you cannot trade consecutive 1s without having another 1st rounder from one of those years already and you obviously still need to follow the salary rules to legally process a trade without picks.

I do see a big drawback here in that this change does create extra work for the commish because he will literally have to process a trade in two parts because I think TV only allows 5 players/picks per trade. As someone who relies on the input team already for TC, DCs, RFA, and UFA (come back Wig, please fix my node!) I dont want to be a bigger pain in the ass and add trades too if everyone thinks this is too much. Plus, if anyone thinks this flouts the 2-part trade restriction, and we would have to revamp trade rules then I definitely do not want to go down that road because this is not a hill I'm willing to die on.

I just think it will add a new strategic layer to trades and offer teams an incentive to accumulate picks not only for rebuilds but for home-run swings on "cant-miss players"

tl;dr - As a New Yorker, I think all the New Orleans folks will want PBSL trades to let you replicate this gem in the future

[TheSyndicate]

This or we could abolish the 5 player/pick rule altogether. I’m indifferent.

[Bowtothebill23]

This or we could abolish the 5 player/pick rule altogether. I’m indifferent.

I think this is the question to ask. I believe the rule was instituted because of the rules in the game itself. So if we are going to make exceptions, you might as well throw out the rule. I'd argue as stipulation of this, should it be implemented, it should be on those making the trade to break out their trades into as many parts as necessary within the Finalized Trade thread so that each trade is legal. Because even if the one big trade is legal, if multiple transactions are needed in the game, every transaction needs to be legal. And instead of having the commish try to figure out a way to make it work, it needs to be on those making the trade to ensure all aspects of the transaction will work.

[TheSyndicate]

This or we could abolish the 5 player/pick rule altogether. I’m indifferent.

I think this is the question to ask. I believe the rule was instituted because of the rules in the game itself. So if we are going to make exceptions, you might as well throw out the rule. I'd argue as stipulation of this, should it be implemented, it should be on those making the trade to break out their trades into as many parts as necessary within the Finalized Trade thread so that each trade is legal. Because even if the one big trade is legal, if multiple transactions are needed in the game, every transaction needs to be legal. And instead of having the commish try to figure out a way to make it work, it needs to be on those making the trade to ensure all aspects of the transaction will work.

I'm not sure, but I think there's a 'Force Trade' function that wouldn't necessitate breaking it into legal chunks, but the 10 of you the have/have had commish access in the past can correct me.

[IamQuailman]

I think this was more of a limitation of the original FBB (what we used in the original league and where all of our rules carried over from), but i THINK you can move more than 5 pieces in FBB3 (the version we use). That said, this has been in place for 40 something seasons... does it really need to be changed?

[IamQuailman]

This or we could abolish the 5 player/pick rule altogether. I’m indifferent.

I think this is the question to ask. I believe the rule was instituted because of the rules in the game itself. So if we are going to make exceptions, you might as well throw out the rule. I'd argue as stipulation of this, should it be implemented, it should be on those making the trade to break out their trades into as many parts as necessary within the Finalized Trade thread so that each trade is legal. Because even if the one big trade is legal, if multiple transactions are needed in the game, every transaction needs to be legal. And instead of having the commish try to figure out a way to make it work, it needs to be on those making the trade to ensure all aspects of the transaction will work.

I'm not sure, but I think there's a 'Force Trade' function that wouldn't necessitate breaking it into legal chunks, but the 10 of you the have/have had commish access in the past can correct me.

There is a force trade, but it also bypasses injury (no big deal), salary cap requirements (can get dicey if it requires people to start doing math...), and acquisition dates. The force trade is pretty much only needed if trading an injured player or guy signed inseason after 1 sim or if the trade involves only points on one side.

[Keepit100]

I think this was more of a limitation of the original FBB (what we used in the original league and where all of our rules carried over from), but i THINK you can move more than 5 pieces in FBB3 (the version we use). That said, this has been in place for 40 something seasons... does it really need to be changed?

Yeah, I hope it didnt come across that I thought the whole trade system is broken because yall have had it running just fine for 40+ seasons. I just thought yesterday's revised deal looked more like a hostile takeover instead of a bailout because I could not send some draft picks back and that made it feel more like a business transaction instead of just a friendly game, at least for me.

I guess at the end of the day this is what can happen when teams on opposite ends of the cap spectrum are dealing and we did get a deal done so it is hard to complain too much, but I do think there is room for some improvement so we can add some flexibility to the process, that's all