S86 Town Hall 8

[Mike Lowry]

Should we reconsider the point system?
What would you change about the current system?
What would you want to introduce that doesn't yet exist?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Deadline for Sim 9

[logpmess]

Should we reconsider the point system?
What would you change about the current system?
What would you want to introduce that doesn't yet exist?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Deadline for Sim 9

I don’t think we should reconsider anything drastic. If we look to increase it too much, we should also look to increase what points are used for like taxes and player training.

I see the comments about increasing the points won by the league champion. I’m good with that but again nothing drastic. Make it 6 points for being the champion. That would mean 4 points for winning the round and 6 points for being champion, so 10 points total for that team. We need to be careful of the rich getting richer but this at least acknowledges being champion.

I would honestly want to reward the commish each year. Having gotten a look at why it entails, it is tremendous and completely unrewarded.


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[WigNosy]

The old Pelicans Report system (30 points for the league champ, second place gets a watch, third place gets “you’re fired”) was way too much “rich get richer.” There are competing feedback loops that need to stay in balance. For instance, the draft (where the worst teams in theory get the best players) is intended to drive the league toward parity (I won’t say “reward losing”). However, to avoid the moral hazard of tanking, it is tempered by the draft lottery. The salary cap is designed to drive parity… better players should be more expensive so the cap limits how much you can’t spend. But teams don’t like losing their players so we temper that with RFA and Bird Rights. Cap exceptions (particularly the Bird exception) are a factor that offsets the cap. Winning teams generally have a slight advantage in Free Agency (where contracts are basically equal, players tend to want to “play for a winner”). Every system has to be carefully balanced so you get neither too rewarded nor too punished for success. Frankly, I think people who want to increase the points awarded for winning the title are misguided. A championship team has already collected at least 4 more points than any other team for playoff series wins and probably collected more points than almost every other team for wins, win streaks, all stars, all league awards, MVPs, etc. throughout the year because you don’t win a chip without picking up those other milestones.

I have to be honest, what has disappointed me the most about my return is the lack of media articles. One of the things I wish I got more of was new content every time I visit the site (especially on off days), and I am just not seeing that. The meme thread is kind of a continuation of discord, and is nice for documenting the league’s moood year to year, but it is kind of sparse. And Discord isn’t conducive to going back and looking at past seasons.

So here is my idea (which I am sure will be unpopular): the number of media points a team EARNS during the year is the cap on the number of maximum points they can collect - or rather, be GIFTED - for league accomplishments (wins, streaks, player awards, etc.) - you should get zero points for just being on “cruise control” in the game. (Note DC participation points are fine - you showed up and earned those). Even if you go 82-0 and win the title with a sweep on the MVP and All League teams, if you contributed zero during the season, you collect zero total points for all your players’ hard work to get wins, streaks, awards, etc. They did the work, you did squat… you do squat, you should get squat.

[K-100]

I agree the commish should get compensated for his work because its a job like the other responsibilities that get rewarded so it should be worth at least 5 points. I'd say even more since it can be time consuming so I'd be down for 10 per season. I also think the champion should get a bonus despite it allowing for the rich to get richer. The playoffs are a drag so getting through the gauntlet is worth more than 4 points to me. I'd say 8 there.

I'm also in favor of redistributing the points collected from the luxury tax that season to the non-tax teams. I think fiscal responsibility should be rewarded and it adds another strategic element to the game. If you are late paying your penalty and pay it off the next season when you were cap compliant you would be excluded from the reward. I'm sure there are other loopholes here that need to be explored but just a thought.

[Mike Lowry]

I have had strong opinions about this for most of my time in the league.
I will start by saying that points go a million miles towards competing in this league.
There is no coincidence that the teams with the best performance are led by GM's who actively participate in point accumulating activities and spend those points wisely.
They actually do magic for teams that understand how to spend for a return rather than making it rain.
For that reason, I like the idea of luxury tax distribution, and I like the mention of paying the commissioner, but I mostly hate the idea of more points for the championship.
Like Wig pointed out, you make winning run, you're getting plenty of points.
Any boost would only widen the gap between the teams that know how to make and use points and the teams that struggle to maintain contact.

[BigDaddyd8720]

I actually really like the points system that we have in place. I could see us opening it up to giving more points to getting deeper into the playoffs and winning it all. I also wouldn't mind seeing us take away points for some of the awards. Or rather, redistribute them. Making 3rd Team All-League is nice but I don't think it's good enough to get rewarded for it. Maybe leave the points for the individual awards and 1st Team All-League and All-Defense.

Another suggestion, and this would be more to help dissuade people from tanking, is to only allow points either for reaching a certain amount of wins or by being active. Maybe say that you need to reach 20 wins to get points for the in game rewards (individual awards, double double, etc.) You would still be able to get points for articles, Town Halls, etc. And then even go as far as to say you need to submit at least 8 DCs. Just something that could possibly drive people to be more active since if you do nothing, then it's unlikely you will get the full amount of points that you could have earned in a season.

P.S. I really appreciate the comments about the commish getting points. I won't forget about you in future deals *insert kissy face*.

[IamQuailman]

Should we reconsider the point system?
What would you change about the current system?
What would you want to introduce that doesn't yet exist?

I think the point system overall does as its needed. I do think we give out alot of points for awards that get little to no nominations... so it's basically collecting free points for nothing. So I think that could be one area to clean things up... just remove some unnecessary awards. Another big thing we should change... and I've been very vocal about this from the get go... is the points for winning a championship. There is no AWARD for winning it all. Champion gets 4 more points than Finals loser, 8 more points than Conf Finals loser. So I think, if anything a SMALL bump in award points would be nice to see. This isnt a new suggestion for me... I've been pounding my fist about this for SIM decades in the old league. Champions SHOULD get a little something extra for winning it all.