Should Waiting List GMs be Awarded Media Points?

[NOLa.]

We have ran into an issue of Darth participating in Ben and mine's podcast. As we all know, expansion talks have been discussed a lot, and although support for it has been high, it still has not been voted on yet. We assume that the expansion team will pass a vote and Chad (Darth) will be the new owner of the expansion franchise.

Which brings us to this question: should a GM on the waiting list be awarded media participation points like the other GMs? Do we want to encourage this opportunity for GMs not yet in the league to participate in the forum, rather than just sit and wait?

I'm not opposed to having waiting list GMs be rewarded for participating in league articles. This can help build up points as they wait in a small way, since the current media cap is set at 15. For Chad and his assumed new expansion team, they will start at 0 points in his bank. Would 15 max points hurt if he is starting at 0, while adding articles and podcast volunteering as he waits?


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[garbageman]

I don't see why not

[TheSyndicate]

I think this is a no-brainer. I even think it might be appropriate to give a certain amount of points to an expansion franchise since even a terrible existing franchise will carry some points over to a new GM (see also: Utah Jazz).

[Inner_GI]

I agree that GMs should be able to earn points without owning a team, but I have a slightly different idea of how that should be handled that would change the point banks league wide. Here it is.

Media points and GM participation points will now go to a GM's personal point bank. This bank will travel with the GM if they ever switch teams, or if a GM does not have a team yet.

Next, we will have a Team Bank that will continue to track the points earned by wins, ASGs, awards, playoffs, etc. This bank's balance will stick with the team if the GM leaves.

Obviously these two banks point values will be totaled up together in one central bank. To balance the spending from the central bank, and to prevent GMs from only spending "Team" points, I suggest when points are spent, they are evenly subtracted from any media points and team points.

For example:

New York Knicks:

Total Points: 50
Media Points: 35
Team Points: 15

If the New York Knicks were to insure a player before TC, they would subtract 5 points from each the Team and Media point totals. Like:

Total Points: 40
Media Points: 30
Team Points: 10


I also suggest that all current points earned up until this vote, just get converted to "Team" points to avoid any backtracking or confusion with point totals.

[WigNosy]

I agree that GMs should be able to earn points without owning a team, but I have a slightly different idea of how that should be handled that would change the point banks league wide. Here it is.

Media points and GM participation points will now go to a GM's personal point bank. This bank will travel with the GM if they ever switch teams, or if a GM does not have a team yet.

Next, we will have a Team Bank that will continue to track the points earned by wins, ASGs, awards, playoffs, etc. This bank's balance will stick with the team if the GM leaves.

Obviously these two banks point values will be totaled up together in one central bank. To balance the spending from the central bank, and to prevent GMs from only spending "Team" points, I suggest when points are spent, they are evenly subtracted from any media points and team points.

For example:

New York Knicks:

Total Points: 50
Media Points: 35
Team Points: 15

If the New York Knicks were to insure a player before TC, they would subtract 5 points from each the Team and Media point totals. Like:

Total Points: 40
Media Points: 30
Team Points: 10


I also suggest that all current points earned up until this vote, just get converted to "Team" points to avoid any backtracking or confusion with point totals.

This looks quite promising.

[garbageman]

I agree that GMs should be able to earn points without owning a team, but I have a slightly different idea of how that should be handled that would change the point banks league wide. Here it is.

Media points and GM participation points will now go to a GM's personal point bank. This bank will travel with the GM if they ever switch teams, or if a GM does not have a team yet.

Next, we will have a Team Bank that will continue to track the points earned by wins, ASGs, awards, playoffs, etc. This bank's balance will stick with the team if the GM leaves.

Obviously these two banks point values will be totaled up together in one central bank. To balance the spending from the central bank, and to prevent GMs from only spending "Team" points, I suggest when points are spent, they are evenly subtracted from any media points and team points.

For example:

New York Knicks:

Total Points: 50
Media Points: 35
Team Points: 15

If the New York Knicks were to insure a player before TC, they would subtract 5 points from each the Team and Media point totals. Like:

Total Points: 40
Media Points: 30
Team Points: 10


I also suggest that all current points earned up until this vote, just get converted to "Team" points to avoid any backtracking or confusion with point totals.

This looks quite promising.

I think it needs to be simplified a bit. Having two separate banks seems like overkill to me, especially if point spend has to come proportionally from both banks. As it is, point system accounting is pretty fast and loose and honor based. Are people really going to be leaving and coming back enough to warrant not combining the GM points with the team points once a waiting list GM gets a team?

[Inner_GI]

I agree that GMs should be able to earn points without owning a team, but I have a slightly different idea of how that should be handled that would change the point banks league wide. Here it is.

Media points and GM participation points will now go to a GM's personal point bank. This bank will travel with the GM if they ever switch teams, or if a GM does not have a team yet.

Next, we will have a Team Bank that will continue to track the points earned by wins, ASGs, awards, playoffs, etc. This bank's balance will stick with the team if the GM leaves.

Obviously these two banks point values will be totaled up together in one central bank. To balance the spending from the central bank, and to prevent GMs from only spending "Team" points, I suggest when points are spent, they are evenly subtracted from any media points and team points.

For example:

New York Knicks:

Total Points: 50
Media Points: 35
Team Points: 15

If the New York Knicks were to insure a player before TC, they would subtract 5 points from each the Team and Media point totals. Like:

Total Points: 40
Media Points: 30
Team Points: 10


I also suggest that all current points earned up until this vote, just get converted to "Team" points to avoid any backtracking or confusion with point totals.

This looks quite promising.

I think it needs to be simplified a bit. Having two separate banks seems like overkill to me, especially if point spend has to come proportionally from both banks. As it is, point system accounting is pretty fast and loose and honor based. Are people really going to be leaving and coming back enough to warrant not combining the GM points with the team points once a waiting list GM gets a team?

It has happened with some frequency in the league. The new owner of the potential Charlotte Bobcats will be on his third team, but will have to start with 0 points because his previous points are a part of the Mavs and Sonics.

[IamQuailman]

This looks quite promising.

I think it needs to be simplified a bit. Having two separate banks seems like overkill to me, especially if point spend has to come proportionally from both banks. As it is, point system accounting is pretty fast and loose and honor based. Are people really going to be leaving and coming back enough to warrant not combining the GM points with the team points once a waiting list GM gets a team?

It has happened with some frequency in the league. The new owner of the potential Charlotte Bobcats will be on his third team, but will have to start with 0 points because his previous points are a part of the Mavs and Sonics.

Tbf, we only have a handful of quitters around here;so im with garbageman a bit that we are creating things for a low percentage of the league. I say you track everything in your team bank (maybe divide within the bank as you recommended). Then when a GM quits, the points for media can be subtracted from a team bank and into a "savings account" for the GM.

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[garbageman]

This looks quite promising.

I think it needs to be simplified a bit. Having two separate banks seems like overkill to me, especially if point spend has to come proportionally from both banks. As it is, point system accounting is pretty fast and loose and honor based. Are people really going to be leaving and coming back enough to warrant not combining the GM points with the team points once a waiting list GM gets a team?

It has happened with some frequency in the league. The new owner of the potential Charlotte Bobcats will be on his third team, but will have to start with 0 points because his previous points are a part of the Mavs and Sonics.

Right. I know it's happened a few times. My main qualm is that if I have 10 points left and need to insure a player, but 8 of my 10 points are team points, I wouldn't be able to do so.

Maybe all points count the same when you spend them, but GM points get spent first before team points. So, if I have 4 GM points and 8 Team points, I can still insure a player, but the GM points get drained first (leaving me with 4 team points). So if I insure a player and then leave the league, the next GM gets the maximum amount of team points.

Also, we'd need to figure out what to do with the current points we have in our banks. Would we have to classify them, somehow, into Team and GM points, and if so, how?

[Inner_GI]

I think it needs to be simplified a bit. Having two separate banks seems like overkill to me, especially if point spend has to come proportionally from both banks. As it is, point system accounting is pretty fast and loose and honor based. Are people really going to be leaving and coming back enough to warrant not combining the GM points with the team points once a waiting list GM gets a team?

It has happened with some frequency in the league. The new owner of the potential Charlotte Bobcats will be on his third team, but will have to start with 0 points because his previous points are a part of the Mavs and Sonics.

Right. I know it's happened a few times. My main qualm is that if I have 10 points left and need to insure a player, but 8 of my 10 points are team points, I wouldn't be able to do so.

Maybe all points count the same when you spend them, but GM points get spent first before team points. So, if I have 4 GM points and 8 Team points, I can still insure a player, but the GM points get drained first (leaving me with 4 team points). So if I insure a player and then leave the league, the next GM gets the maximum amount of team points.

Also, we'd need to figure out what to do with the current points we have in our banks. Would we have to classify them, somehow, into Team and GM points, and if so, how?

First point: No, if there is an imbalance in one side of the bank, the rest of the points will just come from the surplus. In your scenario, you can still insure a player if you have 2 points in Media and 8 points in Team.

Second Point: Not a bad variant. I kind of like that.

Third Point: In my original post I suggest all current point totals just get converted to TEAM points just to avoid any confusion and to be consistent to the rules when those points were earned.

[Darth Vegito]

Tbf, we only have a handful of quitters around here;so im with garbageman a bit that we are creating things for a low percentage of the league. I say you track everything in your team bank (maybe divide within the bank as you recommended). Then when a GM quits, the points for media can be subtracted from a team bank and into a "savings account" for the GM.

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Some people compete waaaay more than not, in these cases GMs sometimes need "vacations". When you tank and rebuild more than you compete...breaks aren't needed . It's ok, if a difficult concept for some Mr. Quail.

[IamQuailman]

Tbf, we only have a handful of quitters around here;so im with garbageman a bit that we are creating things for a low percentage of the league. I say you track everything in your team bank (maybe divide within the bank as you recommended). Then when a GM quits, the points for media can be subtracted from a team bank and into a "savings account" for the GM.

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Some people compete waaaay more than not, in these cases GMs sometimes need "vacations". When you tank and rebuild more than you compete...breaks aren't needed . It's ok, if a difficult concept for some Mr. Quail.

I know it can be really tiring to trade Anthony Davis for Kevin Martin. I'd want a break too

[Darth Vegito]

Tbf, we only have a handful of quitters around here;so im with garbageman a bit that we are creating things for a low percentage of the league. I say you track everything in your team bank (maybe divide within the bank as you recommended). Then when a GM quits, the points for media can be subtracted from a team bank and into a "savings account" for the GM.

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Some people compete waaaay more than not, in these cases GMs sometimes need "vacations". When you tank and rebuild more than you compete...breaks aren't needed . It's ok, if a difficult concept for some Mr. Quail.

I know it can be really tiring to trade Anthony Davis for Kevin Martin. I'd want a break too

All part of the master plan. AD will be a Bobcat soon enough, don't you worry your little head sweetie.

[TheSyndicate]

Some people compete waaaay more than not, in these cases GMs sometimes need "vacations". When you tank and rebuild more than you compete...breaks aren't needed . It's ok, if a difficult concept for some Mr. Quail.

I know it can be really tiring to trade Anthony Davis for Kevin Martin. I'd want a break too

All part of the master plan. AD will be a Bobcat soon enough, don't you worry your little head sweetie.

Also, wasn't that Pedro?

[Darth Vegito]

I know it can be really tiring to trade Anthony Davis for Kevin Martin. I'd want a break too

All part of the master plan. AD will be a Bobcat soon enough, don't you worry your little head sweetie.

Also, wasn't that Pedro?

I wasn't going to bring that since it would look like I was making an excuse...but it was in fact Pedro. That guy was crazy!

[ballsohard]

A current gm has a bank of 40:
10 point via media
30 via team performance
He spends 32 on training

8 remaining

He quits..

New gm takes over .. how many points does his team have ?

Basically my question is .. how do we decide what the banks are when someone quits ..



Second, feels like we're making up a whole new rule for something that rarely happens. Why not simplify..

Any gm waiting to take over a team can earn up to the cap.

When he takes over the team he can apply that towards the team.


If the gm quit wrote articles before and it's already in the bank, you can only apply whatever you have left over to reach the cap..


Seems way easier

[garbageman]

Fringe case that's a little related to this.

Say I rack up a shit ton of tax bills and owe a debilitating amount of points and quit. Is the next waiting list GM on the hook for my bills?

[NOLa.]

Fringe case that's a little related to this.

Say I rack up a shit ton of tax bills and owe a debilitating amount of points and quit. Is the next waiting list GM on the hook for my bills?

Yes, there is no tax forgiveness.


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[WigNosy]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this is as follows:

1. When a GM leaves a team with a positive point balance, any points in that team's points bank remain with the team are transferred to the next GM to take over.

2. If a GM leaves a team with a negative point balance (due to tax burden), the team's points are set to zero. The negative points that could not be paid from the team's balance "follow" that GM as a "personal" negative balanced.

3. While a prospective GM is "unemployed" (involved on the forums but does not have a team), he is permitted to collect points via media contributions. If he has a negative personal balance due to having previously put a team into the red (see point 2), he must pay off the balance to zero before any other points may be accumulated. When an "unemployed" GM is assigned to a team, his points (positive or negative) are added to the point total of the team he is taking over for (this can bring his new team into negative territory).

This way points are almost always team points - there are only "personal points" involved while you "don't have a team" to assign them to (or if you leave a team in the negative so that the next GM isn't crippled on points).

EDIT: Added italicized phrase "that could not be paid from the team's balance" to point 2 for clarity

[garbageman]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this is as follows:

1. When a GM leaves a team with a positive point balance, any points in that team's points bank remain with the team are transferred to the next GM to take over.

2. If a GM leaves a team with a negative point balance (due to tax burden), the team's points are set to zero. The negative points "follow" that GM as a "personal" negative balanced.

3. While a prospective GM is "unemployed" (involved on the forums but does not have a team), he is permitted to collect points via media contributions. If he has a negative personal balance due to having previously put a team into the red (see point 2), he must pay off the balance to zero before any other points may be accumulated. When an "unemployed" GM is assigned to a team, his points (positive or negative) are added to the point total of the team he is taking over for (this can bring his new team into negative territory).

This way points are almost always team points - there are only "personal points" involved while you "don't have a team" to assign them to (or if you leave a team in the negative so that the next GM isn't crippled on points).

Two thumbs WAY up.

[logpmess]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this is as follows:

1. When a GM leaves a team with a positive point balance, any points in that team's points bank remain with the team are transferred to the next GM to take over.

2. If a GM leaves a team with a negative point balance (due to tax burden), the team's points are set to zero. The negative points "follow" that GM as a "personal" negative balanced.

3. While a prospective GM is "unemployed" (involved on the forums but does not have a team), he is permitted to collect points via media contributions. If he has a negative personal balance due to having previously put a team into the red (see point 2), he must pay off the balance to zero before any other points may be accumulated. When an "unemployed" GM is assigned to a team, his points (positive or negative) are added to the point total of the team he is taking over for (this can bring his new team into negative territory).

This way points are almost always team points - there are only "personal points" involved while you "don't have a team" to assign them to (or if you leave a team in the negative so that the next GM isn't crippled on points).

On point number 2, would the total amount due from the exiting GM be deducted whatever points that team has at the time of leaving? So for example:

Team has a luxury tax of 10 at the end of the year. Team only has 5 points. Would a tax bill of 10 points or 5 points be allocated as a "Personal" negative balance, since 5 points were deducted at the reset to zero?

[WigNosy]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this is as follows:

1. When a GM leaves a team with a positive point balance, any points in that team's points bank remain with the team are transferred to the next GM to take over.

2. If a GM leaves a team with a negative point balance (due to tax burden), the team's points are set to zero. The negative points "follow" that GM as a "personal" negative balanced.

3. While a prospective GM is "unemployed" (involved on the forums but does not have a team), he is permitted to collect points via media contributions. If he has a negative personal balance due to having previously put a team into the red (see point 2), he must pay off the balance to zero before any other points may be accumulated. When an "unemployed" GM is assigned to a team, his points (positive or negative) are added to the point total of the team he is taking over for (this can bring his new team into negative territory).

This way points are almost always team points - there are only "personal points" involved while you "don't have a team" to assign them to (or if you leave a team in the negative so that the next GM isn't crippled on points).

On point number 2, would the total amount due from the exiting GM be deducted whatever points that team has at the time of leaving? So for example:

Team has a luxury tax of 10 at the end of the year. Team only has 5 points. Would a tax bill of 10 points or 5 points be allocated as a "Personal" negative balance, since 5 points were deducted at the reset to zero?

A team will make as much of a payment as it can toward a negative balance when a GM leaves. In this example you cite, the team would move forward with a balance of zero points. The GM would carry a "personal" balance of -5 points, which would need to be paid from the balance of any team he might subsequently take over. I edited my post above to make this clearer.

[IamQuailman]

I like it