S82 Town Hall 3

[Mike Lowry]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Due by the deadline for sim 4
Acknowledging late post

[BigDaddyd8720]

I didn't really think anybody was overpaid. Most teams had a lot of cap space and with the cap likely going up even more next season, any "high" bid this past season will seem like not as much. I think with this being our first true UFA offseason, it was kinda expected that there wouldn't be that many big contracts. Even this off-season coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any overpaid contracts. Mainly because so many teams are playing for the 1984 draft so I don't suspect there will be a mad dash to get some of the top players at premium prices. I'm likely wrong on this but I can see the teams on the bottom now take another season "off" and come back after the 1984 draft

[NY_Magic_Garrett]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

This past UFA round was very interesting to me. Going in blind wit no experience was tough, not knowing what to expect from people. I thought I put in a lot of competitive offers over asking, but almost all were not even close. So from the perspective I feel like I saw a lot of overpayment, especially knowing this next UFA class was going to have many more big names. Teams were not as conservative as I thought.

While I think the Bucks overbid on a few players and likely didnt expect to bring in so many guys, I do expect them to be able get off 1 or 2 of those contracts. Terry Tyler, Phil Ford, Johnny Davis all come to mind, but he is actively shopping them and I am sure someone will bite in a sim or 2.

I may be bitter here, but I think the Lakers over payed for Dave Corzine, but hell what do I know. I loved Dave, but he declined a bit in 1981 compared to double double he averaged in 1980. Nonetheless, he got 700+ a year over 2 years. Actually not a bad deal with the team option next year, but that one shocked me personally

[Darth Vegito]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Due by the deadline for sim 4
Acknowledging late post

I truly don't think there were many overpays. Maybe Orr, but it's not egregious and Orr will actually help the Bucks or whatever team so it's not terrible. Kelser is an extremely efficient player and pivotal to the Trailblazers. He is exactly the type of player that Wig loves, so in that sense it wasn't an overpay either. The Blazers needed him and to get him had to max. That's how it goes sometimes.

Next season will be worse. Tons of guys that need to be maxed or risk losing them. You have to hedge your bets. Will they make you a contender or not? Let them go for nothing? Sign them...are they good enough to be traded on a max deal? Next season will be WILD. This season was fairly tame compared. We ain't seen NOTHING YET!

[IamQuailman]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

Hmmmm I feel attacked here People talked so much crap about Orr, my PGs, and even All-Around Stud Terry Tyler.... but when you have a young team full of players, you can send out NON-MAX contracts for players that fill a need or are very good at what they do. And honestly, that's what each of my own signings did. I will say I didn't understand the Super Max by the Blazers on Greg Kelser, but if it's a fit, and there are no big salaries, then why not?

People are putting too much stake into next UFA. Sure lots of big names... but everyone will have money and everyone will overpay to keep their guy (unless they are old)... so if you thought contracts were bad now, just wait til this upcoming offseason. I'm glad my team is looking set.

[WigNosy]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

I think the signings most likely to move are all of the Bucks' signings - I agree with the assessment that it's likely Quail was hoping to land one or two players and wound up landing almost all of them. He has an excess of talent at SF/SG and so he's going to be motivated to move them to balance the squad more with a scoring big.

As far as who was overbid on, I think the answer is probably Terry Tyler. As mentioned, the Bucks got a surfeit of wing signings and I think all the players are of about the same quality... but Tyler has the highest salary. I suspect if he doesn't move this season, Quail might be able to flip him with a couple of picks during the draft to a team that has grown concerned about whether or not they can re-sign key guys in Free Agency.

Who's going to get stuck? I don't think Kelser is going anywhere (yes, I know, it's my team) but that's different from being "stuck." The player I think winds up "stuck" (where the GM would prefer to move him but can't) is actually Ron Brewer of the Suns. Brewer has made Long redundant but Long is younger and due for a huge raise this season. I don't see the Suns wanting to move off of Long so I think they'll try to move Brewer instead, but he's undersized for a shooting guard and his contract is guaranteed in 1984 - and that's the year everyone wants cap space to try to hunt the superstars from the creation draft that will be up for Free Agency.

[Mike Lowry]

I guess I was picking on Doug and Wig a lil more than I thought in this case.
They have the only max and super max signings.
From the looks of their moves, they signed for very different reasons, where Wig is building to compete now, and Doug signed to flip.
And mostly, the fact is, it might not impact their builds heavily in the future, but I came in when contract structure and cap space were difficult to navigate. Seems like we might be a ways off for that, but maybe not.
The vast majority of the top end talent in the league will hit the free agent market in the next 2 off seasons.
I don't know how much the cap will expand, but having a 3rd of my cap locked into Terry Tyler was not something I was interested in, but I knew he would get maxed.
I don't think Doug wants him either, but he also gets harder to move as the cap tightens when the real stars get paid.
I did bid Kesler, and I understand why Wig maxed him, but I do think it's an overpay that will sting more in 84 and 85.
Corzine is a reach, but similar to Kesler, I don't think he was signed as a flip.
LTS really thought he was the missing piece from a contender.
Bill Hanzlik, might get heavy, but Xist is happy with the production.
The guys at the end of my bench are certainly overpaid, but I signed them to have some capital to make a trade for a mid-level impact player.
It can be hard to move overpaid players when the cap tightens because of what it takes to match salary.
In trying to match, I don't want to give up more value than I receive in return, so that creates a barrier.

[Eazy P]

We saw a very interesting UFA this offseason where value looked very different to teams around the league. What free agent signings do you expect to move and who was overbid that will get stuck on a team that miscalculated?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Due by the deadline for sim 4
Acknowledging late post

UFA was kinda interesting for other teams in the league lol. My team, not so interesting. Free agent signings I expect to move is whomever the Bucks sign. The Bucks GM love making trades. Trading is the lifeline of the league tbh. Knowing Doug for a long time, he has a drying love for Bigs and trading with others. Just know If he signs someone that either day 60 or trade deadline that particular UFA has high probability of be traded away.

[Mike Lowry]

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+1 point