S82 Town Hall 5

[Mike Lowry]

Ton of trades jumping off lately!
Which exchange has been the most balanced or equal?
Or
Which has been the most lopsided?
Why do you think that?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Due by the deadline for sim 5

[Mike Lowry]

I'ma open up with this beauty between the Clippers/Celtics/Bucks:
viewtopic.php?t=14748
Bucks Got:
Sleepy Floyd (Celtics)
83 Clippers 1st
Celtics Got:
Mark Eaton (Clippers)
Cliff Livingston (Bucks)
5 points
Clippers Got:
Walter Davis (Bucks)

Essentially the Clippers pushed what is becoming a bigger chip in by sending their 83 1st
Walter Davis is dropping 22,5, and 6 but it hasn't translated to winning in that Western Conference meat grinder.
In addition to that pick the Bucks picked up a nice prospect in Sleepy Floyd.
He needs time to grow, but the ceiling is high
And I was a little surprised that the Celtics joined this trade
I didn't think Livingston or Eaton were anything to write home about.
Basically split 1 good prospect into 2 role players and 5 points
Considering that Eaton is a big body with defensive potential I can understand it from every perspective.

[greepleairport]

Ton of trades jumping off lately!
Which exchange has been the most balanced or equal?
Or
Which has been the most lopsided?
Why do you think that?

So much for the day 60 trades - the day 75 trades were way, way bigger! I don't know that any were terribly lopsided. To be honest, I haven't looked more closely than which big names were on the move, and the one that got to me the most was Michael Cooper going to the Bucks.

Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not against Doug getting good deals. I inquired about Cooper a while back and he was unavailable...to me. I don't think I had a terrific package at the time, and I don't have one now (even if I had been on the forums when the trade blocks were updated and big names were completely on the table). I still would've liked to see Cooper in a Warriors uniform, shoring up the one area we are weakest - perimeter D (take notes if my front court scares you).

Even so, Cooper is injured, so he did move for a fairly cheap price of an '85 Bucks first. The Bucks are an unpredictable squad, but if Doug is trading his own pick, I can only imagine that his pick that year will be relatively worthless...or he'll find a way to trade to get it back. I guess, even injured, I'd have liked to have seen a guy like Cooper get some points back, too, along with a likely shit pick.

[WigNosy]

Ton of trades jumping off lately!
Which exchange has been the most balanced or equal?
Or
Which has been the most lopsided?
Why do you think that?

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers, which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5, 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Due by the deadline for sim 5

For me this is easy... the recent Celtics/Mavs swap: viewtopic.php?t=14825 has been the most lopsided - and honestly a bit surprising.

Recall going into the draft, the Celtics and Mavs made this trade: viewtopic.php?t=14745 wherein Bernard King and Elvin Hayes went to Dallas in exchange for the #7 overall pick (Sleepy Floyd) and 7 points.

Remember on the commissioners' pod when Darth pointed out that this meant you had two of the top 4 scorers in the league on the same team? Bernard King and George Gervin were almost the same player last season! The Mavs were willing to pay with a high draft pick to get King but accepted just points to ship out Gervin? That surprised me.

And since as I said to me King and Gervin were almost the same player it makes the net trade read to me as "Celtics send Elvin Hayes, Dallas sends the #7 pick and 3 points." That might be something I get if Hayes elevated the Mavs' play, but he didn't.

But we don't get to consider those trades together for a net result. We have to consider it in isolation. The Mavs dumped a guy who was #4 in the league in scoring last season for points alone! On productivity alone, I have to call that lopsided. League points don't score in-game points. (Sorry, K-100, I'm not trying to pick on you, I really was shocked because I thought if you put defensive players around King/Gervin you'd have a scary squad and defensive players are generally cheaper to pick up than offensive stars). Either that or I'm misreading the market.

[IamQuailman]

I know Milwaukee has been a hot topic this Town Hall, but I'm gonna "buck" the trend and do something else

Portland sends:
PG Norm Nixon
1983 Portland 1st-round pick
3 points (payment: viewtopic.php?p=122249#p122249 )

Philadelphia sends:
#5 pick (1982 first round pick)
#26 pick (1982 second round pick)

This trade blows my mind every time I think about it. I love @digiskunk but 5 minutes after mentioning in a meme thread about wanting a PG was all @WigNosy needed to slither into Gary's DMs and tickle his ear with Norm Nixon. Now don't give me wrong, Norm is NOT a bad player. But he's expiring and the 76ers weren't 1 PG away (as we have seen so far this season). Point Guard Sleepy Ford was sitting right there and could've been averaging 20ppg as a starter potentially for the 76ers. A nice 4 year cost controlled deal for a day 1 contributor... Instead he got a low-20s 1st and an expiring 27 year old that he will probably forget to offer for in UFA lol (SORRY GARY, I LOVE YOU BUT ITS TRUE!)

Now, pundits may come back, "But Quail, you gave up Walter Davis who is also expiring for pick 7 and picked up an additional first in the process. How is that not worse?"
- Originally, the deal was for pick #9. But I paid points to Charlie to essentailly swap picks because he had 2 players he would be happy to draft at #9.
- Clippers had the core in place to be a winning team, and Walter Davis was coming off an ALL-LEAGUE 3rd Team season (not to mention ALL-LEAGUE 2nd Team, All-Star, & All-Defense 2nd Team the season prior). Norm Nixon's was not even getting starting minutes for the Blazers and struggled to keeping his shooting above 43% since the reboot. These 2 players are NOT comparable.
- The Clippers also had some Free Agents they tried to re-sign but unfortunately weren't able to. The opportunity to stock the shelves was there, but we all know UFA (especially this one when it was the first time value was hitting the market) is unpredictable.
- At the point of the trade the West was NOT the juggernaut it has become. But with that said, the Clippers seemed to have turned a corner possibly, haivng gone 7-3 in the last 10 games and finally the Theus-Davis back court is lighting things up. Credit where credit is due, the Sixers have also sorta surged as well, but is that due to their team or the weak ass East bottoming out 4 sims in? Time will tell....

In the end, I'd be hard pressed to think that the 76ers would be in a worse long-term (and short term spot) if they stayed at pick #5 and taken Sleepy OR James Worthy (who's outscoring Norm Nixon on a loaded roster).

[IamQuailman]

This is a fun thread WE NEED MOAR!!!

[BigDaddyd8720]

I'm gonna talk about the Nuggets trades with the Knicks and Bullets. I actually love everything about these two trades. Neither of them were really lopsided in favor of one team or the other. Other than I thought the players the Nuggets gave up were worth better draft picks, I do think these are two good trades. My main argument against the picks is that they traded with teams that could very likely be in the playoffs again next season and those picks won't be as valuable as the players they gave up.

But to get into the trades themselves:

I love that the Nuggets traded with these two teams because both teams are doing all they can to take control of the division, and the conference. Trading with only one of them likely means that team would almost assuredly win the division but instead, it stays competitive. With so many teams in the east playing so poorly, this trade probably solidifies the top 4 teams in the conference. Very curious to see who the Nuggets get with these picks and if it ends up being worth the players they gave up

[IamQuailman]

I'm gonna talk about the Nuggets trades with the Knicks and Bullets. I actually love everything about these two trades. Neither of them were really lopsided in favor of one team or the other. Other than I thought the players the Nuggets gave up were worth better draft picks, I do think these are two good trades. My main argument against the picks is that they traded with teams that could very likely be in the playoffs again next season and those picks won't be as valuable as the players they gave up.

But to get into the trades themselves:

I love that the Nuggets traded with these two teams because both teams are doing all they can to take control of the division, and the conference. Trading with only one of them likely means that team would almost assuredly win the division but instead, it stays competitive. With so many teams in the east playing so poorly, this trade probably solidifies the top 4 teams in the conference. Very curious to see who the Nuggets get with these picks and if it ends up being worth the players they gave up

Spoiler Alert: They won't.

[Mike Lowry]

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@greepleairport
@WigNosy
@IamQuailman
@BigDaddyd8720

+1 point