S70 Town Hall #9: "WHAT THE F**K WAS THAT!?"

[MexicanMamba]

A lot of wild stuff just happened in a particularly busy trade deadline.

Let's pull some stuff from Day 60 until the Trade Deadline and talk about what your top 3-5 favorite (take that how you wish) or most interesting trades were during that stretch and maybe throw a grade in there for them as well.

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Note: Use approximately 5 sentences as your bare minimum for 1 point. If you write 3 long, complex sentences, you'll still get a point. If you write 5 3 word sentences, you will not get a point. Don't @ me.

Due: Sim 9 deadline.

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[garbageman]

I'm just going to do the deadline day salary trades that weren't pure salary dumps or trades I was involved in or the utter disaster that was Spurs/Bobcats. Actually, Frye it, I'll probably do that one too because it's so funny to me.

Nuggets/Celtics

Celtics send:
Britney Griner

Nuggets Send:
Charles Jarrett
William Lindsey
Anas Mahmoud
5 points
2062 1st round

The Nuggets are competing and the Celtics aren't so the math on this is pretty simple. For the Nuggets, William Lindsey is out all season with a broken leg, Charles Jarrett wasn't productive as a blue/blue, so it gets him out of that contract (even though he was probably playing better as a g/g), and they give up 5 points and a 2062 1st round for a relatively young b/b Britney Griner. Griner's probably going to be a rental as she's not max-worthy, so I like that the Nuggets didn't give up too much to get her. It'll all come down to that 2062 1st round pick, which...given the Nuggets tax situation, might pay off in droves for the Celtics unless the Nuggets can duck out of the tax next year and then retool quick. I like this alright for both teams, but we won't know the value for a while, so I can't give it too exciting of a grade for either team. With Andrew Patrick going down for a couple months for the Nuggets, it's a gamble that paid off nicely for Denver already.

Grades: solid B for both teams



Suns/Grizzlies

Grizzlies send
Victor Wembanyama

Suns send
Jonathan Kuminga
Markus Barnes
Chris Jackson
Kyle Kuric
Clarence Martin
7 points

Fresh off an all star start, the Suns upgrade their C for a mere 7 points, also known as all of the Suns points they had left after getting a payday loan from the Media Coordinator. K-100 is kind of a wildcard in that he'll entertain pretty much any type of deal, but unlike the other wildcards in the league, he generally knows what he's doing and will be a massively winning team when he wants to. I like that K didn't let an auspicious start divert him from his plan. I'm not huge on Kuminga and the return isn't outstanding for him, but it isn't bad either, especially in a landscape where new guys aren't taking big swings and the market for a 72mm man like Wemby is pretty slim. Still, the Suns were the right buyer. A team with 3 purple pot wings needs to solidify it's bookends at PG and C, and while Ridenhouer is far from the ideal starting PG for a team of this caliber, Wemby is exactly the type of big the Suns should've been targeting.

Grades: Grizzlies get a B, Suns get an A


Cavs/Lakers/Pelicans

Lakers send:
Gregory Kozak (Cavs)

Cavs send:
Nemesio Cervantes (Lakers)
Nicholas Zike (Lakers)
James Northrup (Lakers)
Waka Mbatch (Lakers)
2062 Cleveland 1st round pick (Lakers)
David Douglas (Pelicans)
Logan Gilley (Pelicans)
5 points (Lakers)
3 points (Pelicans)

Pelicans send:
2062 2nd round pick (Lakers)

There's a part of me that loves 3 and 4 team trades because it allows teams to get real creative, but another part of me sees bullshit like this and is like ah, jeez, what the Frye? Pelicans take on some salary for 3 points and get some green guys, Lakers send out Kozak, and Cavaliers send everyone on their team not named Vassell or Isaac (or Lidell) somewhere else. Like, I don't give a rat's ass about any of these guys. There are some green potential guys the Lakers will probably train into blue potential guys. I do like the Cavs consolidating their roster and getting a true starting C out of it. And I like the Lakers getting rid of Kozak for some scratch-offs that could hit in Nemesio, Waka, and a 2062 pick (and points). It's probably the best that the Lakers could get for Kozak, even if they waited until the offseason. But it's really kind of a pupu platter, so I can't give LAL full marks.

Grades:
Lakers: B+
Cavaliers: A-
Pelicans: DNQ


Magic/Heat

Magic send: Johnny Davis & 10 Points

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For

Heat send: Antonio Bleakney & DeJuan Baker.

I will never understand Nick and why he does the things he does. After going out to get Ware in a deal that would've gotten him an A and given the Bucks a very lenient C-, he first does a specious swap with the Pelicans, trading Banchero and 10 points for Dwain Ramos and Ayo's bad contract. I can see him wanting to get cheaper than Banchero and maybe he considers Ayo a better depth piece than he had, but the Pelicans were desperate to get rid of Ayo, and I'm not clear that going from Banchero to Dwain Ramos is any more than a break even proposition. 10 points aside I guess that's a fair, albeit unspectacular, trade. But then this trade hits: The Baker contract is worse than Ayo's (and arguably JD's in terms of bang for the buck), and Johnny Davis is an excellent player. I don't know what business the Heat have wanting him, but it's too good a deal for them not to pass up (and I'm glad to see that the Heat/Timberwolves deal for Baker got shot down because the Wolves were taking on 3 years of bad contract for absolutely nothing). Hell, getting out of that Baker contract and getting 10 points for it is a coup. I know the JD contract probably looks scarier as he ages, but when I look at all the moves the Magic have made this season, or any season, there doesn't seem to be much logic in place other than the love of the trade. I saw a proposal to get rid of the 60 day trade limit, which would ruin multiple lives: Nick would be furiously trading 24/7, alienating his family, his job responsibilities, living in an insomniac fugue state, and Nate would probably go quickly insane for having to process trades every minute unless the 25 other GMs became co-commissioners to handle the new workload.

Grades:
Magic: D
Heat: A


Spurs/Pistons

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts (Paid: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12067&p=113192#p113192)

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

Everyone saw this one coming, and everyone feared it, and some people came up with justifications why it wouldn't or shouldn't happen, but really, I think it was the only thing that made sense at this stage in the game. There were roads for the Spurs to keep Pee Wee, although like this trade, the roads would probably lead back to tax jail because of severe funds mismanagement and the stubborn-ness to nip that in the bud any sooner than the last minute. But the Spurs do get a purple potential player (albeit one who isn't as purple) and the Pistons get much more repeat security as Pee Wee is much more than a 3 point upgrade over SVG. But that's what it comes to, folks, and half the GMs in the league probably are conditioned to get inappropriate compulsive boners if they even see the color purple while walking in public, living their every day lives. Meanwhile, Newland and Percy Miller are one training away from purple on a team without the points to make them purple. It's a real gift of the magi situation here folks.

Anyway, does this move mean Doug will win the championship again? Probably. Would he have won the championship again anyway? Probably. But the Pistons were 42-4 pre-pee-wee and are 6-3 with him. Can they be beat? I think so. They're the strongest team, but they're not the deepest team, and even though a lot of the league felt like this was coming, a lot of competing teams still doubled down, and that was nice to see. Should the Pistons worry about the 6-3 start with Pee Wee? No, not at all. This was the move anyone with an ounce of desire to win another ring would have made in their shoes. For the Spurs, it was probably the best they were going to do at this point, but they could have probably done better for their own future if they had made more responsible moves in the past.

Grades:
Pistons: A+
Spurs: B+



Bobcats/Spurs

It's a shame that this one didn't work out because 10 points for Widener would've been a triumph for James. Unfortunately, this deal got incredibly bungled, and despite a warning from the commissioner, this trade wasn't fixed in time. Maybe this deal still goes down in the offseason, or maybe Carlos backs out or finds another buyer. The silver lining is that the Bobcats aren't any worse off than they were before, but the Spurs probably would've saved 9 tax points on top of the tenner they would've gotten from the Cats. it's still one of those things where if even one of the GMs involved knew how the rules worked OR was paying attention, it could've gone through. C'est la vie.

Bobcats: D
Spurs: D

[MexicanMamba]

I'm posting screenshots of the 4 that I want to discuss just so I don't forget any of the trade details, which I definitely will.

First up, I'll talk about one that I don't love but it's too huge not to talk about.

Spurs/Pistons
Swapping PeeWee for SVG

- Multiple things can be true at the same time. The first thing is that I can understand why Carlos did this deal. Other things he was working on to cut salary and keep PeeWee fell apart and instead of losing the most recent MVP for nothing, he sent him out for a younger purple potential player. Granted, some of why he couldn't get under the apron (By trading PeeWee or Alvarado) were self-inflicted wounds stemming back to the off-season. The second thing that is true is I hate this deal because of what the immediate future can look like for the league. We'll see on that one though. The last true thing? If I was in Doug's shoes I do the same damn thing 100x out of 10.


Bulls/Lakers do ... something.

- The deal that Josh and I completed isn't not at all the most significant deal in the league, for season results or even that either of us pulled off. However, Josh and I so rarely trade together that it felt cool to just make something happen.


Suns/Grizz/Mavs/Wolves do the Human Centepede

- It was a massive trade with teams taking huge swings to completely switch the current and future of at least 3 of the teams. The Suns obviously made out well by grabbing easily the 3 best players involved in the deal and starting a stretch of trades league-wide that had teams willing to come after Doug's place at the top. The Mavs gave plenty but got the player they have coveted the most. Then the Wolves found themselves beginning their rebuild in Earnest with some legit young pieces, even if they need a bit of TLC to maximize.

Celtics and Wizards cast a spell.
- Charlie missed some great opportunities in the off-season to maximize his value for Gates, which he regretted for a while afterwards. Turns out, he just needed to be patient for the right buyer. X is often a wildcard but after trading for Fabian Hub and going on a tear, he saw a window and decided to crash through it. Adding a supremely versatile weapon to a roster full of them was a great move that has already paid handsomely. He took the baton from Nate and decided to still challenge Detroit's reign. Respect.


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[Black Superman]

*cracks knuckles*

I'm sure everyone's going to talk about this trash of a trade by the pistons spurs, and dammit so am I. Ultimately I'm pretty pissed off about it because it not only was a direct "pack the courts" moment *wink wink presidential election wink*, but it also was a direct move by the spurs to stay in the tax for a now 5th year. Why's this upset me so much? Because 1 as a competitor, obviously I want a fair opportunity at beating teams. 2, this is KD going to the warriors. It's single handedly breaking the league. As a commissioner, I don't want folks upset, and not willing to participate. There was everything wrong with this and I blame both owners equally. Third, I helped figure out the money, and also bridge the gap between 3 teams who are very hard to reach. I did this in the eleventh hour, to not only save the league by keeping pee wee off the spurs. I found a way to get the spurs 70+M in cap space which would have eliminated their taxed season 70 and allowed them to resign pee wee. Guess what happened? A S62 1st round pick was the hold up, by a team that would have Percy miller, Pee Wee, and Tony Newland. That team's first would be how good? Because right, absolutely terrible and that's what ended the talks. ultimately it's disgusting to purposely stay in the tax and I have to try and answer to owners why is a team abusing the system intentionally. I don't feel bad about attacking people because it's utter BS. And if either owner wants to walk because of this then I'm cool with that too, I'll gladly take my MWFs back and quit as commissioner.
Grade F!


The Nets lowering their tax was a great move. I talked to the GM and told them I liked the move. And informed them, that it was talked about during the podcast. They hadn't listened to the podcast but still recognized the tax needed to go. Great heads up move especially without hearing it be talked about the day before. There was no way that team could carry that tax bill. Also honorable mention to the warriors for doing the same.
Grade A- for both

Lastly, the grizzlies have absolutely been my favorite player this season in the trade game. This guy is Wheeling and dealing and all of it has made sense. I'm a huge fan of k-100's moves. He's gathered points, left and right. Most teams not in playoff contention pack it in for the season. This guy's active and I think having fun by doing so. Idk the guy but he's my favorite GM this season.
Grade A

[BigDaddyd8720]

Favorite trade: My trade with the magic is my favorite. Mainly because it involves me but a few things happened that I really liked about it. First, I was finally able to get rid of that god awful Ayo contract. It frees me up to finally have some spending money in the offseason (over $100mil in cap space now). Second, I was able to get points out of it to help develop my younger players (maybe?). Third, the Magic and I were finally able to get a trade. Seems like every season I've been in the league, Nick and I have reached out to each other at some point to try and trade and we finally made it happen. Grade: A+++++++++ (but really, solid B)

Second favorite: The suns touched on this a bit already but just to reiterate, the Grizzlies being so active in trades this season. Any time sports are involved, trading is one of the best aspects of it and seeing the grizzlies being so active gives me motivation to seek out more trades in the future. Some of them will work, most won't but this league is all about fun and if people aren't making moves, then we're not having fun. Grade: A+

Third favorite: Celtics/Wizards trade. Celtics were finally able to get rid of AG after what seemed like forever. They saw they wouldn't be competing and decided to trade away to help build for the future. Hopefully Maci turns into a stud for them. The Wizards also got themselves an elite big man to help them out and boy has it ever helped them. They're having an incredible season and AG is good part of it. Maybe they will be able to eliminate the juggernaut that is the Pistons in the playoffs. Grade: A+

[LazyTitanSmash]

My reaction to Deadline Trades.

Celtics send:
Britney Griner

Nuggets Send:
Charles Jarrett
William Lindsey
Anas Mahmoud
5 points
2062 1st round

Solid Trade for both teams. The Nuggets are keeping hope alive and trying to improve, since they are so deep in the tax and did well last season, I’m loving the new blood going for it.
B for both team

Grizzlies send
Victor Wembanyama

Suns send
Jonathan Kuminga
Markus Barnes
Chris Jackson
Kyle Kuric
Clarence Martin
7 points

I literally offered 7 points and Phil for Wemby, but just a little too late.
B+ for both teams




Bulls send:
Alex Fudge
Harold Schiff
10 Points (viewtopic.php?f=15&t=271&p=114681#p114681)

Trailblazers send:
Jalen Hood-Schifino

I think this was my favorite trade at the deadline. Hood is legit and can help the bull make the pistons sweat a little. Fudge is a guy I’ve been after but I sent all my talent out earlier so good job trail blazers. The real question is where does Quick go in the offseason.


A for bot teams


Pacers send
Mikal Bridges
5 points

Grizzlies send
Gary Rockwell

Grizzlies accept

The Pacers are trying to get better and contest for cheap, this was a solid play for this season. I just really don’t like that Rockwell contract next year. He’ll probably tie him to McDonald next year to get another win-now player and be fine.

B- for the Pacers
B for the Grizz



Lakers send:
Gregory Kozak (Cavs)

Cavs send:
Nemesio Cervantes (Lakers)
Nicholas Zike (Lakers)
James Northrup (Lakers)
Waka Mbatch (Lakers)
2062 Cleveland 1st round pick (Lakers)
David Douglas (Pelicans)
Logan Gilley (Pelicans)
5 points (Lakers)
3 points (Pelicans)

Pelicans send:
2062 2nd round pick (Lakers)

Not much to say about this other than it was a good idea for the Cavs to go find another guy.
B all around

Magic send: Johnny Davis & 10 Points

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For

Heat send: Antonio Bleakney & DeJuan Baker.

I really like trading with both these teams and I normally can find some commonality in value with both of them, but I’m lost on this trade. There is a lot of bad money moving around in this trade. Not 100 percent sure who came out on top here. Short term I like this much better for the Heat. Davis should be good again next year even though he’s getting up there in age. So it’s just that 3rd year that’s going to be a problem. But one that can probably be solved by tying him to a rookie. On a personal level I’m trying to make the playoffs and I feel like the Heat just got better, so boo to this trade.

C- for the Magic
B- for the Heat

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts (Paid: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12067&p=113192#p113192)

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

Dumb. From both teams perspective this was a good trade, but it highlights the problems that the rules have not addressed since the last time the piston under a different GM to advantage of.

Bad News: the Pistons are now going to be dominate for like a IRL year. Dumb. The Spurs are going to get out of tax jail sooner by winning more games, but also by making the strongest team stronger. Dumb.

Good News: This trade might final lead to some rule changes, specifically around trading while having unpaid taxes. I know the heat and grizz did it right and use trading to get out of tax jail quicker but trades like this should how easily it can be abused.

Also good news, sim gods might punish a team for going 20-0 and than acquiring the MVP of last season. Here’s hoping the sim gods dole out justice.

Give them both a A+ for strategy and an F for using the same old loophole in the rules. It’s not even like they found it, we as a league just haven’t addressed it. Let's get some rule changes.

[K-100]

Pelicans/Magic

Pelicans send:
Ayo Dosunmu
Dwain Ramos

Magic send:
Paolo Banchero
10 points

Probably the most surprising trade this season, given the Magic spent 10 points this offseason to acquire Banchero only to pay an additional 10 points to dump him after a 6-month rental. The Pelicans also were able to get rid of Dosunmu's albatross of a contract in this deal so this is just an outstanding trade by New Orleans. I expect the Magic to try and retain Ramos this offseason so all is not lost in Orlando but if I'm Kel'el Ware I'd be livid about what is going on in Orlando right now. Who knows maybe the Pistons trade Trent Dawes for Ware this offseason?

Pelicans: A
Magic: D

Bulls/Blazers

Bulls send:
Alex Fudge
Harold Schiff
10 Points

Trailblazers send:
Jalen Hood-Schifino

As LTS mentioned, this trade was also my favorite from the deadline. The Bulls once again are putting on a masterclass in how to squeeze every ounce of your roster both in the now and for the future. JHS is one of the better value contracts in the league and to be cost-controlled for another 2 seasons gives the Bulls a lot of flexibility this offseason. The Blazers also continue their rebuild process and acquire an interesting prospect with Alex Fudge. If the bank does not break Fudge this upcoming RFA, I think it will be a win-win for both teams.

Bulls: A
Trailblazers: B+

Pistons/Spurs

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

Look I wrote a whole article about why this trade should not have happened but who was I kidding? The Spurs did not find any suitors to reduce their tax bill so in the 11th hour they extended their tax status another season by swapping contracts. It is going to be a painful rebuilding process for the Spurs with another tax bill looming on top of last season's unpaid bill, but these are the risks of building super teams. The Pistons meanwhile are sitting pretty with several expiring contracts lined up nicely this offseason. Good job by both GMs for seeing the writing on the wall. This trade is a win-win for both sides and that is all that matters at the end of the day.

Pistons: A+
Spurs: B

[pennpanther1]

Celtics/Raptors

Celtics send:
Britney Griner

Nuggets Send:
Charles Jarrett
William Lindsey
Anas Mahmoud
2062 1st round
5 points

I really like this trade for both teams. The Nuggets continue to go all-in this season after last season's magical playoff run. If Andrew Patrick is able to return during the playoffs then a pairing with Griner will give the Nuggets a lot of options in the paint. The Celtics also got a potentially good asset with the Nuggets 2062 draft pick so I expect them to be back to their winning ways in a couple of seasons.

Both teams get an A.

Cavs/Lakers/Pelicans

Lakers send:
Gregory Kozak (Cavs)

Cavs send:
Nemesio Cervantes (Lakers)
Nicholas Zike (Lakers)
James Northrup (Lakers)
Waka Mbatch (Lakers)
2062 Cleveland 1st round pick (Lakers)
David Douglas (Pelicans)
Logan Gilley (Pelicans)
5 points (Lakers)
3 points (Pelicans)

Pelicans send:
2062 2nd round pick (Lakers)

The Cavs are another team in my conference with big playoff ambitions so this trade was a great move. I really like their aggressiveness to upgrade their weakest spot by cashing in their green players. The Lakers also got a 2062 pick that will be interesting to track in the future. The Pelicans also continue to collect points so I expect their young core will benefit next season. Nice job all around.

Everyone gets an A.

Heat/Magic

Magic send:
Johnny Davis
10 Points

Heat send:
Antonio Blakeney
DeJuan Baker

This trade was weird. I did not like the contracts the Heat offered Blakeney and Baker this past offseason but to get rid of both and not send any points is the sign of a good GM. I am also confused by the Magic. They took a lot of swings this season and do not seem to have a direction for this team. I think they will have a lot of work to do this offseason to figure out what is the next step.

The Heat get an A. The Magic get a C-.

[AngryBanana]

I have done several trades, so I am going to just go over all of my trades cause that is all I care about.

Celtics Send:
Ebbe Clauer
Markus Conover
8 points



Jazz Send:
Booger Smith

First things first lets get this out of the way. This is the "other" trade that Nate referenced for the Jazz that he did not like. Well I disagree in that while he could have potentially gotten a better player he just as likely would have not made a deal, not insured Booger, and be stuck with a g/g player that is not worth even starting. So Gary capitalized and made a deal that helped him in the now and wont hurt him in the long term. Nevermind the fact that Ebbe is still scoring over 20 points and one of Gary's better players. AND HE IS GERMAN, GARY LOVES THAT HE IS GERMAN. I also got a rebuild piece, which I did insure, that could be a starter now. A downgrade from Ebbe currently, but longer term a better fit.

Jazz: B
Celtics: B+

Celtics Send:
Jaylen Warley
Daniel Hamilton
James Ragan

Grizzlies:
2060 second rounder

Not much to say on this, literally was just helping a pal out after he forgot to do a UFA day. No movement on both sides of note other then Grizz were able to use Warley as a cuttable player in the A'ja trade.
Grizz: N/A
Celtics: N/A

Boston Celtics trade
Kenneth Douglas

Toronto Raptors trade
Frank Chavez
Geronimo Rubio De La Rosa
Joseph Horvath
10 points viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12059&p=114597#p114597

Toronto Raptors accept

Traded away Douglas to a team that needed a pass first guard in a heavy shooter environment. Douglas instantly helped the team in a new dimension that the team was missing. Douglas got hurt which sucks, but will be back for a playoff push. I made this deal because I knew that I was going to tear it all down at this point, so I wanted as many points as possible. Getting Geronimo and Chavez was a good replacement for the movement of Douglas and the eventual move of Gates.
Raptors: A
Celtics: B+

Celtics Send:
Antonio Gates
Albert Morrow

Wizards Send:
Maci Currin
Walker Kessler
Wizards 2062 1
5 points

Appreciate the talks as always X. I know we had have several talks one way or the other on this deal and glad to finally make something work for both parties.

The next elephant in the room. I finally moved Gates!!! And to clarify what Roberto keeps referring to, I could have traded for Kinsella in the offseason before he got bumped and Gates was hit. However, I am much happier with this trade overall because while I probably would have preferred Kinsella. I am happier that Gates is going to Washington. Other people have talked about this trade so I dont need to do an analysis for you on why it made sense for him. However, I am glad to see X has a team that will rival the pistons even now. it is good to see other teams competing for the top other then the Lakers and Bulls. I got a great prospect in Maci in return to go with points and a pick.
Wizards: A
Celtics: A-

Magic send: Jalen Worley, Orlando Kamp, & 5 points

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For

Celtics send: Joseph Thach

Thank you for the quick and easy chat for the depth, Charlie.

Point dump is all it is. The only thing of note that sold me specifically with the Magic was that I got that worley guy Warley back. The Magic also get another guy that can be a good depth piece. I probably could have gotten more points out of Nick then five, but it was quick easy talks which I will also take.

Magic: B
Celtics: B

[IamQuailman]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

[MexicanMamba]

+1

Mamba
Nate
Charlie
Titan
Josh
Jon
Penn
K100
Pels

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[Black Superman]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

They're quite literally not in a position to reset and that's the issue folks have with it. It was an intentional decision to stay in the tax and repeat the cycle with another loved player going into their last year and needing to be resigned when the spurs won't have the funds to do so.

[Black Superman]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

They're quite literally not in a position to reset and that's the issue folks have with it. It was an intentional decision to stay in the tax and repeat the cycle with another loved player going into their last year and needing to be resigned when the spurs won't have the funds to do so. And no, eazy has a season and a half to pay off 2 taxes. It's going to have taken him 2 years to pay off last year's tax. Which doesn't account for him staying in the tax this year. I know you're out of touch and it's not your business when conducting the trades but you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[LazyTitanSmash]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:



There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

They're quite literally not in a position to reset and that's the issue folks have with it. It was an intentional decision to stay in the tax and repeat the cycle with another loved player going into their last year and needing to be resigned when the spurs won't have the funds to do so. And no, eazy has a season and a half to pay off 2 taxes. It's going to have taken him 2 years to pay off last year's tax. Which doesn't account for him staying in the tax this year. I know you're out of touch and it's not your business when conducting the trades but you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Hard Cap after 2nd season in the tax

[IamQuailman]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:

Pistons send:
Stan Van Gundy
3pts

Spurs send:
PeeWee Kirkland

There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

They're quite literally not in a position to reset and that's the issue folks have with it. It was an intentional decision to stay in the tax and repeat the cycle with another loved player going into their last year and needing to be resigned when the spurs won't have the funds to do so.

Well I better prepare my Dawes for Newland offer now then

[Black Superman]

Did anyone talk about this Trade of the Year Candidate:



There's been a lot of vocalization of support and disgust with this trade. But that's what makes it so beautiful. No bias whatsoever. Spurs have 2 other high calibur young players they can now either build around while resetting (and winning a good bit) next year. Eazy has a season and a half to pay off the tax, especially if they find a taker for Jose in the offseason. He's only 31; not the crypt keeper. I think there's definitely opportunity to unload him come the offseason. PGs scoring 20ppg and nearly 10apg shooting 51% from the field and 45% from 3 are few and far between. There will be takers. I believe in the process for the Spurs, and they are TC darlings... who's next to get the boost for them?! As for the Pistons, look everyone's said what they've said. It was a no brainer move for me, but a couple mental lapses could add some hurdles to my long term plan. Everyone is assuming I'm going to 5yr max both guys and ride those contracts (and tax) out into the sunset... and that couldn't be further from the truth. This was very much a WIN NOW move for me, maybe win next year... but people who've been in the league long enough know I love a good rebuild and am starting to already look forward to it.

Pistons A+
Spurs A+

As for my other movers and shakers... props to the Suns for making multiple moves to compete. Wemby isn't purp anymore but he's damn good and a smart acquisition. Same for his 4 teamer trade earlier in the season. I teased it being a cluster eff and a trape, but the Wolves didn't make out too bad in that deal (outside of that busted ass Caitlyn Clark lol). Also I liked the Nuggets getting Griner and trying to continue their push for a championship run.

They're quite literally not in a position to reset and that's the issue folks have with it. It was an intentional decision to stay in the tax and repeat the cycle with another loved player going into their last year and needing to be resigned when the spurs won't have the funds to do so.

Well I better prepare my Dawes for Newland offer now then

Haha there ya go!