Removing Round 3 of FA

[Xist2Inspire]

I don't know if this is possible in-game, but if so, I think this should be considered, for these reasons:

By Round 3, FA Is A Wasteland
Since we've established RFA, it's a bit rare to have a really good FA class, and it's even rarer to have a FA class that isn't basically over by Round 2. Every once in a while we get a few stragglers in Round 3, but for the most part it's a sea of aging vets, journeymen, and undeveloped projects. There's normally not enough talent to justify three rounds' worth of FA

FA Free-For-All Could Be More Exciting
Remember the stragglers I mentioned? Normally the FFA is a scramble to grab whatever few prospects actually improved in TC and that's it. But what if Round 3 was eliminated? Suddenly those few stragglers are now the prize acquisitions in the FFA, spicing things up a little more.

It Can Help Bad/Middling Teams
All right, so we've determined that eliminating Round 3 would make the FFA a bit more exciting. But how can it help bad/middling teams? Well as we've seen, Round 3 mostly favors those with cap space remaining, because only they have the money available to overpay. The FFA, on the other hand, mostly favors bad/middling teams due to the new tiered system we now use. So now the stragglers from Round 3 are near-guaranteed to go to teams that could probably really use them.

It Would Speed Up The Offseason
It's at this exact point where the offseason begins to drag just a bit. Removing Round 3 would keep things moving at a fresh pace.

I do see a few problems with this, like teams overspending in Round 2 to keep players from reaching the FFA, and the fact that there are no guarantees that there will be FA stragglers every season, but overall, I think this would be a good change (if possible in-game of course). Thoughts?

[logpmess]

I think we would need to re-evaluate the free for all session if this comes to pass. Free agency benefits people that are not necessarily on the same time schedule as others, and does not have a negative impact on anyone in that aspect. The free for all is great and fun, but it really only benefits people who are free at the exact time when it happens. So if someone works during the free for all time, they are shit out of luck. One of the great things about a sim league like this is the fact that it can be done with enough time in advance. The only exception is the FFA.

Possible fix for FFA: we talked about tiered availability in the past but we can do that with lists as long as the tiered order is established the day before.


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[LoCo89]

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Possible fix for FFA: we talked about tiered availability in the past but we can do that with lists as long as the tiered order is established the day before.


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I think you're issues with FFA and the idea of eliminating round 3 are two different things and really shouldn't be talked about in the same thread. Especially since honestly eliminating a round of FA probably hurts the group of people your talking about. Especially since your fix is essentially creating a fourth round (bc of the lists) or keeping round 3 and adding tiers to it, which I don't see a reason to do either honestly.



To at least a few of xists points:

Creating a more exciting FFA: I don't really see it as that, but closer to what Logan sees it as. FFA is great, on the condition that you can be at a computer at a certain time. And that there are no distractions. And that someone else didn't pick your guy. And that you put it all in right.
On that note, what would you do about contracts? There are still guys getting multiple year deals, but if you're eliminating a round of FA do you just restrict everyone to one year mins? Do you give it to whatever contract goes up first? Do you completely eliminate the FA's choice in the matter? I think this is a big issue that you're not really thinking about.
The thing about FFA is that while it's not a perfect system, there's only at most a handful of guys anyone wants since most are gone by then. If we eliminate round 3, teams would all be trying to fill up multiple spots on their teams at the same time which id imagine would be more frustrating then anything. Chaos isn't really fun and neither would trying to sort through it.

Only scrubs
At a certain point that's what it's gonna be. However for a lot of teams in round 3, they're still trying to fill up 4 or 5 spots and at the end of the day those scrubs need a home.

Quickening the offseason
My favorite point, mostly because if this is the main argument for why it should be eliminated, it's not worth it. The offseason schedule has been designed and is aiming to be fit within a week. This starts with the draft beginning on a Monday and ending with sim one on the following Monday. Once again this is by design. It's why last season had such a lull between finals game and the draft. It's given the league a target day to reset and I'm ok with that structure honestly

[LoCo89]

Sorry if it's kinda rambly, I did it from my phone before I forgot

[ballsohard]

Possible fix for FFA: we talked about tiered availability in the past but we can do that with lists as long as the tiered order is established the day before.


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I think you're issues with FFA and the idea of eliminating round 3 are two different things and really shouldn't be talked about in the same thread. Especially since honestly eliminating a round of FA probably hurts the group of people your talking about. Especially since your fix is essentially creating a fourth round (bc of the lists) or keeping round 3 and adding tiers to it, which I don't see a reason to do either honestly.



To at least a few of xists points:

Creating a more exciting FFA: I don't really see it as that, but closer to what Logan sees it as. FFA is great, on the condition that you can be at a computer at a certain time. And that there are no distractions. And that someone else didn't pick your guy. And that you put it all in right.
On that note, what would you do about contracts? There are still guys getting multiple year deals, but if you're eliminating a round of FA do you just restrict everyone to one year mins? Do you give it to whatever contract goes up first? Do you completely eliminate the FA's choice in the matter? I think this is a big issue that you're not really thinking about.
The thing about FFA is that while it's not a perfect system, there's only at most a handful of guys anyone wants since most are gone by then. If we eliminate round 3, teams would all be trying to fill up multiple spots on their teams at the same time which id imagine would be more frustrating then anything. Chaos isn't really fun and neither would trying to sort through it.

Only scrubs
At a certain point that's what it's gonna be. However for a lot of teams in round 3, they're still trying to fill up 4 or 5 spots and at the end of the day those scrubs need a home.

Quickening the offseason
My favorite point, mostly because if this is the main argument for why it should be eliminated, it's not worth it. The offseason schedule has been designed and is aiming to be fit within a week. This starts with the draft beginning on a Monday and ending with sim one on the following Monday. Once again this is by design. It's why last season had such a lull between finals game and the draft. It's given the league a target day to reset and I'm ok with that structure honestly

[IamQuailman]

It appears the reoccuring theme is that the off-season is too long and slow.

We've gotten complaints about the speed of off-seasons every season since probably the start of this league. Whether it takes too long or goes too fast. One thing that was determined is that a schedule is needed in advance of the offseason starting to provide people who may not check as religiously as others with a timetable for deadlines. Problem with having things BACK to BACK to BACK with no dead days (like JNR is suggesting) is that it provides no wiggle room in the projection if something comes up where a sim CANNOT happen or if there's a delay.

This off-season I spread out things a little more because starting the new season on Monday gives ample time over weekends for people to do pressers and get their potential 5 pts prior to the season starting. However, if that is not optimal, then we can look at removing some of the dead days inbetween FA and TC or between rounds of FA. The problem with the schedule is that draft speed is NEVER predictable. Sometimes it's 1 day, sometimes it's 2 days. And sadly, the draft is what drives the schedule.

As for FA 3 being eliminated, I don't think that really is an option. But we'll work on moving things along faster next off-season to get things going along quicker.

[42PhD]

It appears the reoccuring theme is that the off-season is too long and slow.

We've gotten complaints about the speed of off-seasons every season since probably the start of this league. Whether it takes too long or goes too fast. One thing that was determined is that a schedule is needed in advance of the offseason starting to provide people who may not check as religiously as others with a timetable for deadlines. Problem with having things BACK to BACK to BACK with no dead days (like JNR is suggesting) is that it provides no wiggle room in the projection if something comes up where a sim CANNOT happen or if there's a delay.

This off-season I spread out things a little more because starting the new season on Monday gives ample time over weekends for people to do pressers and get their potential 5 pts prior to the season starting. However, if that is not optimal, then we can look at removing some of the dead days inbetween FA and TC or between rounds of FA. The problem with the schedule is that draft speed is NEVER predictable. Sometimes it's 1 day, sometimes it's 2 days. And sadly, the draft is what drives the schedule.

As for FA 3 being eliminated, I don't think that really is an option. But we'll work on moving things along faster next off-season to get things going along quicker.

Just making shit up here.

Preseason presser: Maybe "allow" / encourage it to be done anytime in the offseason and up until the DC deadline for first Sim. This will allow some directed shit talking to distract from dead time and allow some dead time to used to eliminate dead time... Spackle in the dead space with pressers. Darth could potentially have held his presser early, for example, and things may have been a little more "palatable" for those craving action.

Deadtime: Dead time is necessary to do work, plan, do deals, and take a break.

Early start: can some legwork be done during the playoffs? Lottery? Not sure due to season change / software limitations.

FA: Is it possible to do the rookie training in parallel with first FA, TC with second FA, and third with paid trainings and prior to preseason, and FFA before first DC. Let people react to their team changes, how their preseason goes.

I may have the schedule wonky, but see if you can smelllllllllalalalalala what the doc is cooking.

[IamQuailman]

It appears the reoccuring theme is that the off-season is too long and slow.

We've gotten complaints about the speed of off-seasons every season since probably the start of this league. Whether it takes too long or goes too fast. One thing that was determined is that a schedule is needed in advance of the offseason starting to provide people who may not check as religiously as others with a timetable for deadlines. Problem with having things BACK to BACK to BACK with no dead days (like JNR is suggesting) is that it provides no wiggle room in the projection if something comes up where a sim CANNOT happen or if there's a delay.

This off-season I spread out things a little more because starting the new season on Monday gives ample time over weekends for people to do pressers and get their potential 5 pts prior to the season starting. However, if that is not optimal, then we can look at removing some of the dead days inbetween FA and TC or between rounds of FA. The problem with the schedule is that draft speed is NEVER predictable. Sometimes it's 1 day, sometimes it's 2 days. And sadly, the draft is what drives the schedule.

As for FA 3 being eliminated, I don't think that really is an option. But we'll work on moving things along faster next off-season to get things going along quicker.

Just making shit up here.

Preseason presser: Maybe "allow" / encourage it to be done anytime in the offseason and up until the DC deadline for first Sim. This will allow some directed shit talking to distract from dead time and allow some dead time to used to eliminate dead time... Spackle in the dead space with pressers. Darth could potentially have held his presser early, for example, and things may have been a little more "palatable" for those craving action.

Deadtime: Dead time is necessary to do work, plan, do deals, and take a break.

Early start: can some legwork be done during the playoffs? Lottery? Not sure due to season change / software limitations.

FA: Is it possible to do the rookie training in parallel with first FA, TC with second FA, and third with paid trainings and prior to preseason, and FFA before first DC. Let people react to their team changes, how their preseason goes.

I may have the schedule wonky, but see if you can smelllllllllalalalalala what the doc is cooking.

Preseason presser: That's not a bad idea. I know some people like to wait it out until their rosters are pretty formed, but opening it up to Preseason Presser season earlier may be better. I'll go start up the pressers today.

Deadtime: I 100% agree.

Early start: Game limitations require the season to be completed and advanced to offseason (think 2K when you advance to the offseason). So we wouldn't be able to do the lotto during the playoffs unfortunately. That's come up before and would be a desired situation, but unfortunately the game doesn't allow it.

FA: Game limitations prevent us from running TC prior to completion of FA.

[NOLa.]

God is it still Tuesday?

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[ballsohard]

It appears the reoccuring theme is that the off-season is too long and slow.

We've gotten complaints about the speed of off-seasons every season since probably the start of this league. Whether it takes too long or goes too fast. One thing that was determined is that a schedule is needed in advance of the offseason starting to provide people who may not check as religiously as others with a timetable for deadlines. Problem with having things BACK to BACK to BACK with no dead days (like JNR is suggesting) is that it provides no wiggle room in the projection if something comes up where a sim CANNOT happen or if there's a delay.

This off-season I spread out things a little more because starting the new season on Monday gives ample time over weekends for people to do pressers and get their potential 5 pts prior to the season starting. However, if that is not optimal, then we can look at removing some of the dead days inbetween FA and TC or between rounds of FA. The problem with the schedule is that draft speed is NEVER predictable. Sometimes it's 1 day, sometimes it's 2 days. And sadly, the draft is what drives the schedule.

As for FA 3 being eliminated, I don't think that really is an option. But we'll work on moving things along faster next off-season to get things going along quicker.

Well actually it's been complained about bc it's too fast so we slowed it down.

[78#]

I'm fine with the current pace of the offseason but I think we need more motion.


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[NOLa.]

I'm fine with the current pace of the offseason but I think we need more motion.


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Thats what she told Phil Jackson

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