S67 Town Hall #4 Trade SZN

[Black Superman]

Rules: 1 point if you give thoughtful answers which I will award after the timer ends for responses. The timer ends for responses at the moment the corresponding week's Sim is run.

Due: Mon Dec 4th at 4pm at Sim 4 deadline.

Question: Trade like woah. Who needs a trade bad? Is it to strengthen because they're close? Is it a contender who needs to sure up a position? Or simply a team that needs to dump cap like yesterday. Explain your reasoning.

[Black Superman]

I think the mavs need to trade like WOAH. And I think they're trending in a way to be able to do it. Currently sitting at 2nd worst odds after sim 3 to get the #1 pick. The Mavs logic is off. They're not going to trade older players on expiring deals to get a superstar pg under 26. Also what superstar pg is even under 26 years of age? It simply doesn't exist. What does exist is funkhouser for the bobcats. The mavs pick this upcoming draft will be bad so that needs to be presented to the bobcats along with a player like Candace Parker. The bobcats are trending upwards and will probably not be getting a top 5 pick.

Bobcats benefit: getting a player in parker who's not bad skillset wise while also getting a draft this upcoming draft to help on their "rebuild". Bonus tip, please train Reed's defensive rebound up if you can afford it along with Herman's training .

Mavs benefit. The Mavs timeline of rebuilding is over. This was their season to start winning games. For whatever reason they're choosing to not do so. And now they're in a pickle. They can continue to tank but that player is likely not going to be on the timeline of scoot, DJ, and Reese. They need to trade the pick and get a player closer in development that the other young players are in.
Bonus tip: you're going to lose scoot in FA because you've been bad too long so hurry TF up, you're wasting his career.

[garbageman]

Bonus tip, please train Reed's defensive rebound up if you can afford it along with Herman's training .

He spent all his points on Curtis Rakes

[drkavarga]

Bonus tip, please train Reed's defensive rebound up if you can afford it along with Herman's training .

He spent all his points on Curtis Rakes

I have four seasons of points I haven’t added up yet…

[MexicanMamba]

The first team that comes to mind, besides the Lakers, is the Atlanta Hawks.

They could go in a few ways with this, all that make sense, with nuance to keep in mind, but they should be looking to make a move or two.

On one hand, they could do what they mentioned in the off-season and try to deal Phil Smith for a rebuilding haul to prep for life fully built around Amos. They'd have a lot of flexibility in the off-season before UFA to make some deals to add to the roster before re-signing Amos. This obviously keeps them under the tax apron this season as well, so they can feel comfortable going all-in again soon.

The problem with this? Trading Phil means you've built a significantly worse roster for this season heading into an important UFA period. As we've seen in recent seasons, these star players are willing to turn down super max contracts from their teams to sign with franchises who win significantly more. And I have no doubt teams like the Bulls, Warriors, Nuggets will be ready to carve cap space out and pounce. It's a dangerous game.

What to do then?

Well, you could attempt to get in front of that and sell both Amos and Phil (Maybe Johnson too?) to the highest bidder (if the right offers even come), then dump Blair's contract on someone by the off-season and do a complete rebuild with, hopefully, a chest full of great assets.

OR

Use Zepeda to try to add another major piece to give yourself the best chance to win more games this season and make a decent playoff run to try upping the chances of re-signing Amos in the off-season. Downfall of this plan is by not getting under the tax last season, you have to be very careful about how much you go into the tax this season since it'd be year 2 of taxes and if it went so high you can't pay ... you lose Amos anyways.

Okay, this has went on too long now, so I'll end it here. But, yeah, a lot to consider, but the Hawks could use something.

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[K-100]

I think the Cavaliers should trade Raphael Gordon and a 2nd round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for Frank Chavez. Both players seem to be the odd man out of their respective rotations and with guaranteed money next season both can be insurance policies heading into the offseason where Gordon can fill in if Claude Erickson walks away from Charlotte and Chavez will replace Chief K if jlmarines does not offer CK an extension heading into his age-31 season.

[greepleairport]

I'm not sure who NEEDS to trade or do something drastic besides the team's mentioned above. But I do think the unlikely leaders in Alpha, the Raptors and Nuggets, could each add one more piece to be serious threats for a title. The Raptors have Nic Claxton; the Nuggets have Kofi Blaq Jr. The problem for both is having matching salary available for a quality player making that much more money and ready to win now. But, with the early season success, i think these two teams have moveable chips to add one more solid contributor for a title.

Then again, there's something to be said for, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Either way, best of luck to both of these longer term shadow contenders pulling into the unlikely lead this year.

[LazyTitanSmash]

The Celtics are in a similar place to the Hawks. Ron Harper Jr is hitting Free Agency and after they spent so much to get him it would suck if they lost him to a max deal from another team. There Conference is much tougher this year, and to compete they are probably going to need to move Sanford Benfield and Brittney Griner. Maybe someone like Jeff Van Gundy or Trey Murphy III is available.

[garbageman]

I've got an answer for this one, but I'm pretty sure you're going to see it in action. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, but here's the deal.

Team One:
A competing team with too many bigs who could probably still win their division by dropping one sends one of their bigs to team two. This saves them a lot of money on their tax bill and allows them to train one of their rookie contract guys.

Team Two:
A competing team that's off to a solid start, but their conference is tough, and they need to upgrade. They send points, some bad salary, the expiring big they want to upgrade, and 10 points to team three. They get the better big that team one is sending out.

Team Three:
A tax team. They get 10 points for taking on the salaries of the guys sent out by team two and send team 1 a couple of vet min role players without having to give away anyone worth more than 10 points for an extra 10 points.

Team Four:
The team blew up his own talks gets 1 point for answering this town hall question.

[Mike Lowry]

That's really funny, because I was already thinking that my comments were going to look like insider trading, because I talked to a few people and heard some good offers that didn't quite get across the finish line.
Maybe I have a particular view on this because I'm not usually one of the guys that racks up points, and I landed myself 200 deep in the tax.
Now I have a much different perspective on the cap.
Ironically, I will say that the teams with all the space are the ones that need to make a deal.
I mean, there are a few teams looking at very large bills who I don't think will contend for the ship, they could use a deal like nobody's business, but I don't think they will get their deals done.
A few moves will be made for relief, but so far the teams with all the space haven't made themselves available to get a good return on their prudence.
From the side I would be trying to deal if I was any of those teams just above the apron.
Resetting my tax has become a high priority for me. Just doesn't make sense to go over and not compete.

[pennpanther1]

I think the Portland Trailblazers should accept the Ned Lomax experiment has not worked out and find a way to send that contract out and avoid the tax penalty. They did not really invest much to get him so I do not think it is a failure to move on from him so early in the season but I just think he is not the worth the high price tag given how much they have struggled to start the season. I think Jalen Hood-Schifino should be the new starting Power Forward and the Blazers can start their youth movement early.

[Eazy P]

I think the Nets should make some moves for monetary purposes. They have the most cap space currently and can help out GMs who's in a bit of a pickles when it comes to the SLOE uncle sam. He can trade tax relief for points to stack up for future player training or paid insurance purposes. I think If he can do this for a few seasons he will be in a good spot and have some future flexibility.

[Xist2Inspire]

I'm gonna second Greep and say that the Nuggets and Raptors really should think about trying to add more talent. Both are unlikely contenders sitting ahead of more experienced GMs with stronger teams. When you're in that position and want to compete, then you really need to build on your success in the moment, because you know the teams behind you will eventually figure it out and make a push.

The Raptors probably need it the most, because they're stuck with Ridenhour, locked into Looney/Dosunmu/Ridenhour for another year, and Nic Claxton alone does not make for a good rebuilding core. Go get the best player or role player combination you can get for him, and do your best to keep this run up. There's no guarantee it'll work this well next season.

[jlmarines]

The Kings. The Kings spend a lot of money for Trey Murphy. Unfortunately, the season is not going well at all. It's a disaster. I think the Kings should start over and rebuild immediately. They should say goodbye to PG Gary Rockwell and trade him for some prospects. The Kings should trade for SF Robert Hannon. Hannon is young and future potential to be a solid player. Hannon will compliment current Kings young prospect SG/SF Wah Wah Jones to a legit contender.

[78#]

I'm looking at Portland. Good roster, but at 9-14, they need to starting winning soon. It's doable in the Beta conference, but so far, they're not getting the best bang for their buck. They're a projected $57 million over the cap. The one player who should be considered is Ned Lomax who's making a billion dollars and is much older than the other core players. It might be hard to move Lomax, but they may not have a choice much longer. However, they can also turn this around and get back in the playoff race. Watch the Blazers in the next few sims.

[IamQuailman]

I think the Mavericks need to make a move soon. Maybe right this second, but their window to add talent before paying Dominatrix is closing quickly. They have so much good young players, they need to be shopping for some A) value 26-27 year olds or B) combining some younger talent into a max type player like Kel’el Ware. I truly think Bucks are reaching an end point of their run, and honestly might be good to cash in now while they can. The Mavericks have a really good chance of making some compelling offers.

[Black Superman]

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