Mourning a Loss: An Offseason Town Hall (sort of)

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Mourning a Loss: An Offseason Town Hall (sort of)

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UFA kicked my dick yesterday, and I know I am not the only one. I thought I would take the opportunity to open up the forums to the PBSL community to share their grief with others.

Perhaps it was this UFA. Maybe it was a past UFA? You know what, I'll even accept getting forced into a corner and needing to trade the best player on your team because you just do not have the assets / ability to build a contending team around them.

Let us grieve together, folks, and I will give you as many points as word count guidelines dictate:

Word Count Guidelines

Word Count: 250----->Points: 2

Word Count: 500----->Points: 3

Word Count: 750----->Points: 4

Word Count: 1000----->Points: 5
If you can actually write 1000 words grieving about one sim league player, more power to you (even if you are Roberto or Doug and destroyed mine or Panda's (love u bb :heart: ) hearts). These points will be counted against your 25pt media limit for the season, but at least you now have an idea to write stuff and earn some media points. GO forth, GMs of PBSL, and MOURN!

I'll go first.

Two championships and an 8 point loss later, Fabian Hub turned down my offer worth $80m more than the next best offer to "play for the better team," the Detroit Pistons. No disrespect to the Pistons, but they haven't won shit since Fabian started playing in this league. So I have to wonder, did the commish accidentally put in my bid wrong? But he didn't. Fabian Hub, in one quick stroke of the pen, ended a decade long relationship with the Golden State Warriors, and a long and loving marriage to me in divorce, and a message of love because he annulled my heart. I've seen some players jump ship, but after two championships and nearly a third? For less money? How could I not cry myself to sleep until Hub retires from PBSL? Because I haven't stopped crying since yesterday, and I will never stop crying until this unholy chapter of my sim life is closed.

Shame on you, Fabian Hub. All I ever did was love you. How dare I...
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Markus Ridenhour

My tale has a happy ending because Markus Ridenhour eventually returned home but when I first joined the league I lost my prized point guard during my second offseason, to none other than greepleairport. I offered a super-max deal to Markus but the Raptors were a complete mess when I took over the franchise so Ridenhour left for greener pastures and a GM/team combo that had a strong reputation for winning. His sudden departure left my team in shambles but I understand why now. Winners want to win. And in Toronto we were just not winning. But all was not lost. We dusted ourselves off and started to build a new team. We were fortunate enough to land Jordan Poole via trade who has blossomed into a premiere point guard in just a few years. But we always kept our eye out for our good friend Markus. The Warriors went on to win consecutive titles and Markus Ridenhour was the Finals MVP both times. The entire city of Toronto was proud of our former star player. But we also wanted to bask in the greatness. So we reached out to greepleairport and within a few short messages we hammered out a deal. The rest was history. Now our man returns home. Much like King James did for Cleveland, Ridenhour returns to Toronto with one goal in mind. To win a championship. I know he can do it again.
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I'll be honest. I don't think I've ever lost someone I supermaxed. I've probably had someone take a better offer. I don't remember. It's nothing that scarred me, and in time, and with proper mourning, maybe you'll forget about your Hubs and Davises.

But that shit runs deep. I remember Nick getting Kyrie. I remember me getting Ridley. I remember Doug getting Manley (his balls dropped, his voice changed, etc). You've got to really blow up your plans and turn the ship in a new direction, and the gratification from that is far from instant. So my answer here may be a cop out, but I hope it is one of hope and one that can add some silver lining to bitter situations.

My story is about Ayo Dosunmu.

When I drafted Ayo, he had some interesting potentials...nothing wild, but I liked the rename, and he was a rare guy I didn't want to just use as a trade piece. I probably would have had the right offer come along, but he grew fast enough where I thought he'd be able to be that piece where he was b/b and productive at the end of his rookie contract. I got about half that right. He was b/b. He was not productive.

RFA came along, and the Warriors gave him a flat contract that was a smidge less than 50mm with a player option on the 4th year. Because Ayo was so unproductive, I might have still considered a sign and trade had greeple had anything to trade me. Then in TC, his potentials popped. He jumped to purple potential. Still, his current led him to average at best production throughout that contract. Maybe his stellar defense made up for it, but he wasn't very efficient on the offensive end and never was going to be a solid three point shooter. I think one of those seasons, his currents actually got hit (but he was insured, so his potentials were restored...nonetheless, it was a disappointing setback) His player option came up, and he declined it to test UFA.

I was really hoping to keep him at 49.5 million because I felt like this would finally be the year I could see where Ayo's ceiling was at. He was turning 28, so I knew he was old enough where major drops weren't unlikely and still a few years away from natural decline. He must've known so, too, because he declined that option. Without having seen what he could do at his best, I didn't go full on supermax. I knew it was a risk. As an inputter, I did input some bids (from teams that were thankfully not good at the time) that had a higher starting salary (but lower overall total) and didn't have a team option like I offered. I had a sinking feeling that I'd be Hubbed, but luckily, Ayo liked that the total value was higher and bet on himself that the team option would be a no brainer to guarantee.

His TC was solid, and his attributes looked better than ever. He wasn't purple current, but he was damn close, and probably would have Dong Boned his way to being purple/purple at 29. He was having the season I'd hoped...his scoring was much more efficient and he was the best scorer on a stacked team. His perimeter defense was best in the league. With McClung still getting better, I had a plan to keep them as one of the league's best backcourt tandems and reset this season. And if I needed to or wanted to, I could have flipped Ayo at some point for a really good young prospect or two.

Then his leg broke. And his purple potential left with him.

I was in too deep and couldn't get out of a high 2nd year repeater tax, and there weren't trade options to ship off Ayo and get immediate help. So I made best with what I had...win as much as I could in the regular season and hope him coming back in the playoffs would give me a little boost. We all know how it ended, and even though he was no longer my best player, I don't think I would've won it all without him. I didn't think I was going to win it all with him. But those aren't problems, those are successes, and you don't want to hear about those. The real problem comes with what I do next.

Ayo's going to be much harder to trade. He's still a solid player, but he's at his ceiling, and he's not going to smash through it at 29. He's on a max, and while I think I can find a deal if I need to, I don't think he's going to net me a future. With Dirks expiring, the only player on my team that will fetch a proper rebuild piece is Mac McClung, and at this stage, he's the guy I wanted to rebuild around...not the guy I wanted to send out for future's sake.

Thus, I'm just kind of treading water now, hoping I can take advantage of McClung's prime instead of having him waste away waiting for Lakers and Spurs dynasties to finally subside in about a sim decade...or having to sell off McClung.

But that's where the fun of sim league comes in, and it's what differentiates good GMs from great ones. Once you're forced to adapt and make moves and pick up the pieces of the best laid plans, you're active. If everything went according to plan, you'd just be sitting back watching a simulator pick your team more often than not. It might be rewarding, but overall, it's a boring form of rewarding. I've had seasons where things go according to plan and there's no setbacks, and those are okay, but none of them have been as rewarding as having to get creative when plans fall apart and still, somehow, against most odds, you do find success.

So hopefully teams like the Warriors and the Nuggets can readjust their goals, find a new direction, and use misfortune as a propellor towards unexpected success.
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greepleairport wrote:UFA kicked my dick yesterday, and I know I am not the only one. I thought I would take the opportunity to open up the forums to the PBSL community to share their grief with others.

Perhaps it was this UFA. Maybe it was a past UFA? You know what, I'll even accept getting forced into a corner and needing to trade the best player on your team because you just do not have the assets / ability to build a contending team around them.

Let us grieve together, folks, and I will give you as many points as word count guidelines dictate:

Word Count Guidelines

Word Count: 250----->Points: 2

Word Count: 500----->Points: 3

Word Count: 750----->Points: 4

Word Count: 1000----->Points: 5
If you can actually write 1000 words grieving about one sim league player, more power to you (even if you are Roberto or Doug and destroyed mine or Panda's (love u bb :heart: ) hearts). These points will be counted against your 25pt media limit for the season, but at least you now have an idea to write stuff and earn some media points. GO forth, GMs of PBSL, and MOURN!

I'll go first.

Two championships and an 8 point loss later, Fabian Hub turned down my offer worth $80m more than the next best offer to "play for the better team," the Detroit Pistons. No disrespect to the Pistons, but they haven't won shit since Fabian started playing in this league. So I have to wonder, did the commish accidentally put in my bid wrong? But he didn't. Fabian Hub, in one quick stroke of the pen, ended a decade long relationship with the Golden State Warriors, and a long and loving marriage to me in divorce, and a message of love because he annulled my heart. I've seen some players jump ship, but after two championships and nearly a third? For less money? How could I not cry myself to sleep until Hub retires from PBSL? Because I haven't stopped crying since yesterday, and I will never stop crying until this unholy chapter of my sim life is closed.

Shame on you, Fabian Hub. All I ever did was love you. How dare I...

Alright. Ein prosit. We will commiserate together! Celtics got freyed over prior to U Free agency round 1. I won’t say I got the warriors or nuggets snub in the sense of the free agency whirl. Instead, I got the spurn of multiple different burns. 1. The team deciding to take back a trade that was agreed upon. And going with a different trade. Funniest part being that not being enough and the. GIVING UP MORE for less. Then 2. being the that the GM rescinds the trade to begin with. Like we agreed, but whatever. 3. Being then going with another GM who is just a nuisance and will bug you until you agree. Then once you agree, they will complain when it doesn’t work out their way. 4.the other trade i decided to not pursue more then gets gone another way. So. Honestly. The team that stole the PG from me, really stole two from me. In that, I was excluded two opportunities from me.

Then after having the UFA Round 1 decided overseas, I had to switch it all up. I then rescinded my deals for a whole new set cause Frye me. Idk. I got an ok haul in two players that I’ll probably have to cut for training camp… Y’know. Frye me. Idk I’m not the Warriors, but I consider me 1b in the sense of teams that got ticked over for the the FA because frey us…


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greeps ~350words +2pts
@pennpanther1 ~250words, +2pts
@garbageman 1000+ words, +5pts
@AngryBanana ~250words, +2pts, though it pains me to plus points this because like, jesus, that's the most difficult reading i've ever had to do as media coordinator, wtf charlie, how drunk were you??
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So, I'll inevitably go off script and touch on some deeper issues (as I tend to do), but for now, I'll pick Brendon Silva, from all the way back in the 2055 offseason. From a purely player-based standpoint, this stung because Silva was a player I'd scouted for a while, and nearly traded Kidd for (after it was time to move on from him). Ask Syndicate if you ever get the chance, I was willing to take peanuts on the dollar for Kidd to get Silva. And when I'd finally gotten my hands on him, I let him cook for 4 seasons. After turning into a pretty awesome 2-way combo guard, I was ready to put a contender around him as he entered his last big contract. I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the next 2-3 seasons would be his peak, and that now was the time to strike...and he bounced. For a team that, no disrespect, had absolutely no chance of winning over the length of his contract (and did not). To this day, I still don't understand how that happened, and it's the one thing I can point to in-league that kickstarted my downward spiral when as far as overall engagement goes.

Now let's move into the meta stuff...Brendan didn't leave one potentially contending team. He left two. Most of y'all GMs who are old enough to remember me for more than just my playoff streak but too young to remember me as the guy who had the Cinderella Finals run and wrote the Millennium Countdown article, probably know me best as the guy who wins, but doesn't win big. The guy who can squeeze blood from a stone and make a mockery of traditional logic, but probably would've won much more if he was just a little more conventional. So, look at the roster prior to Silva's free agency:

http://pbsl.ijbl.net/2044/rosters/roster33.htm

Definitely a typical Xist roster here. There's some interesting potential here and there, a few unimpressive but productive players, and a few people I've become overly attached to. I think time has vindicated me when it comes to believing this could be a sleeper contender with Silva at the helm, looking at what a lot of these players became. But they never became that for me, and here's why:

http://pbsl.ijbl.net/2045/rosters/roster33.htm

Here's the roster Silva was supposed to be a part of. This was a 58-win team, and is far more conventional. I have two big-time players on big-money deals who are in their final years of being game-deciding stars. This was absolutely a championship-level team, but I didn't have much of a future. I gave all that up to make the big swing, and thanks to Silva deciding he'd take less to win less, it was a strike. And it's stuff like that which really gets my goat and puts me in a state of mourning. Be consistently competitive year in and year out, despite constant setbacks, shifts, and misses? "That's cool, but you've only won one ring, probably because you don't try X." Try X and it doesn't work out? Nothing.

That's probably the biggest loss I've ever had. I sacrificed a roster that could've easily endured Silva's defection, to give him teammates that ensured a legit shot at a title for at least half of his new contract. And the bum decided he'd rather fight for 8th (and fail) than fight for 1st. I don't mourn him, I mourn the massive missed opportunity - on both sides - that he represents.
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When UFA cost you real money in real life.

I'm mourning the loss of my abilities in UFA and the loss of real dollar dollar bills.

I have fryed up almost every UFA to date. Here's the proof. (For all the newbie GMs, here's what not to do.)

My first season - I missed in UFA 1 due to not understanding the league used central time. So I was stuck bidding on second-tier blues and run-of-the-mill green/green in UFA 2. Worthless UFA. It was also the worst time to miss on UFA since I had tons of CAP space. But whatever, I was new and needed to learn how this thing worked, so I'll give myself a pass.

Season 2 UFA was my most successful UFA to date. I stole Richie Cuevas with a max contract offer. He wasn't worth a max, but he planned out just fine. The problem was I did not have much else to go with him, and I didn't have any more money to get other free agents for a while. So, he scored 20 points a game on a bad team with little help. (He almost got me playoffs one year.)

Season 3 UFA - I only had MLE money to spend, so I split it up between a bunch of what I thought were the best g/g players with potential—the highlight player who picked up that UFA was John Lowry on a 4-year deal. (If you get a chance, go check him out. He's still balling out for a g/g; he's top 5 g/g). While he's a solid player, you are in trouble if that's all you get out of a UFA. So, my third UFA did not improve my team.

Season 4, UFA, was an absolute disaster. I have no idea what I was thinking. I sent 9 vet min requests and put all my hope into getting Leroy Johnston on a 19 million 1 year MLE deal. I missed. It's probably because one of the other vet mins signed before Leroy Johnston could. Now that I think about it, he got his max deal that year. I don't think I even signed a low-level blue player that year. I got straight nothing! Looking back on it, the only thing I did right was offer Nicholas Zike a contract in UFA 1 before he showed any blue potential. (But I still got outbid for him.)

Season 5 UFA. Another trash UFA. I got almost nothing. All I could do was sign my own guy--Terrance Lewis-Weeks. I had to overpay him, or my team would have been even worse than the previous year. I had to use all my small amount of cap space to do it. Leaving me to sign a bunch of weak-ass vet min g/g players. Those players either signed for better teams or were so weak that I forgot about them once they got on my team.

Season 6 UFA. This one hurt the most. First, I had a plan. I cleared the books before UFA 1. I think, I had over 100 million in cap space. The goal was to buy a few good but old blue players for points before UFA 1. Then, just resign all my own guys and make a one-year way-over-the-cap push into the playoffs. It wasn't a long-term championship plan, but it would have been fun to throw caution to the wind and make the playoffs.
But the deal fell through at the last minute, so I pivoted. I had money to burn. There were tons of excellent players out there in free agency. I sent them all the quality contracts. In case I missed on all my contract offers, I sent my own players (Kuric, Weeks, and Martin) very good contracts, but a little less than they were used to getting from me. I tried to lower their contracts to gain some trade interest in them. If I got lucky, one of the outstanding players would sign with me, and then my guys would sign, and I would have a killer team. If I missed it, I would get my guys back for cheaper and be better in the long run. But it was not to be.
Kuric signed first and screwed everything up. No one else had thrown him a decent contract because he was too old. So when he saw my offer he jumped on it. But because he was the first to sign, all my other bids were no longer valid bids. Then Weeks and Martin jumped ship for like 3 million more than I offered them—ungrateful bastards. I had sent them so much money over the years that their grandkids wouldn't have to work. But for a few million more, they were out of here.

Season 7 UFA. This year was going to be different. I would be on it this year—no more bullshit mess-ups. I had cleared cap space. I would focus on sim this week, even when I wasn't supposed to. Anytime I had some free time--check sim stats. Have some free time before bed--check sim stats. Watching a TV show with my computer open because I'm really just--checking sim stats.
I planned out my bids and looked at which GM's could afford what. All that concentration was worth it; finally, UFA was good to me. (In sim league this season, not so much in real life.) I finally got a real player in UFA!!!! Stealing E.J. Liddell from the Pistons and getting Joseph Morelock, cheap cheap, cheap; felt good. I was constantly checking for trade updates and UFA pickups. Finally, my obsessive focus on Sim League caught up to me. While driving and checking trade blocks and looking at who I picked up in UFA, I got a speeding ticket. Of course. $450 dollars and a point on my diving record later; UFA fryed me every year, if not in-game, in real life. :(
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@Xist2Inspire ~600 words, +3pts
Thanks for sharing dude. I had no idea the impact this had on your career as a pbsl GM. Silva had always flown under my radar somehow, but seeing his numbers now at the time? Yeah, I'd feel pretty beat up too. I'm looking forward to your Remy Martin prime years though. If he bails on you I'll kill him.

@LazyTitanSmash ~1000 words, +5pts
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In the world of simulated basketball, where fortunes rise and fall as quickly as the ball bounces on the hardwood, it's easy to get lost in a sea of heartbreak and losing seasons. For myself, the journey has been an arduous odyssey, a relentless battle against the odds, and a continuous exploration of the fine line between hope and despair.

Year after year, season after season, the same story seemed to unfold. Promising drafts, high hopes, and ambitious trades would initially ignite the flames of optimism. I would put together a roster with potential, and fans would dare to believe that this could be the year, the year when their basketball team would rise to glory. But, alas, hope has a cruel way of toying with the heart. As the seasons unfolded, the losses began to pile up. Injuries, inconsistent performances, and the cruel hand of fate seemed to conspire against my teams. I would watch helplessly as the scoreboard showed the same disheartening results.

The heartbreak was not just about the losses themselves; it was about the shattered dreams and the dashed expectations. The fans, loyal and passionate, deserved better. Each losing season felt like another dagger to the heart, a fresh wound that refused to heal. Season after season, disappointment became a familiar companion. My initial enthusiasm, born from ambitious trades and promising draft picks, often gave way to a sinking feeling as the losses piled up. The scoreboard, an unfeeling reminder of their struggles, seemed to taunt me relentlessly.

In this rollercoaster of despair, one name stood out like a thorn in my side: Kyrie Irving. It wasn't just about Kyrie's talent or abilities on the court. It was the enigma that surrounded him, the constant drama, and the unpredictability that came with his presence. Kyrie was a supremely talented player, a maestro with the basketball, capable of moments of brilliance that few could replicate. But his off-court antics and unpredictable behavior left me tearing out their hair. I had acquired him in a blockbuster trade, hoping that his skills could be the missing piece in their championship puzzle.

However, what followed was a crazy season and tumultuous journey through the Kyrie Irving experience. There were unexplained absences, cryptic social media posts, and controversies that seemed to follow him wherever he went. It was as if the basketball gods had decided that this talented enigma would forever be a thorn in my side. The fans, who initially celebrated Kyrie's arrival, grew frustrated. They couldn't understand why such a talented player seemed more interested in pursuing personal endeavors than winning games. I, too, was caught in a never-ending dilemma. Should they continue to build around Kyrie, hoping that his talent would eventually outweigh the headaches? Or should they cut ties and try to salvage what was left of their sinking ship? The Kyrie Irving dilemma was a microcosm of my struggles. It represented the eternal battle between potential and unpredictability. I had acquired Kyrie with dreams of championships, but the tumultuous journey that followed left them wrestling with doubts.

Then it happened. When Kyrie was acquired from the Bucks he was expiring. No need to worry right? Offer him super max and they always stay right? THEY. DO. NOT. ALWAYS. STAY. Kyrie left and signed with NickMalone and his Pelicans. Salty didn't describe how angry I was. I went on to despise Kyrie Irving in real life and then he surprisingly turned into his sim league self after all. All things come back around, right?

I had to immediately pivot. I read one GM made the joke that my enormous tax bill wouldn't be so big anymore. Well, I decided to show the league what a REAL tax bill looks like. I did pivot and signed more and traded more until the bill was to the sky. I turned that into one of my BEST seasons as the Bobcats GM...until the Bulls knocked me out in the 1st round. The losses continued, but there was a subtle shift in the air. The fans, who had weathered the storm of disappointment, began to appreciate the effort and commitment the GM and the team were putting in. They saw the potential for a brighter future, even if it was still on the horizon. As the seasons passed, I began to see glimpses of progress. The wins were still elusive, but the journey itself became a source of inspiration. The fans, too, recognized the effort and dedication put forth by their team. They began to see a glimmer of hope on the horizon, a belief that, perhaps, the sea of disappointment could be navigated.

In the world of sim basketball, heartbreak and losing seasons are constants. The journey of a GM is filled with ups and downs, with moments of despair and fleeting glimpses of hope. The Kyrie Irving dilemma, like a dark cloud, served as a symbol of the challenges and unpredictability that come with the territory. But through it all, I learned valuable lessons about resilience, perseverance, and the importance of staying true to one's passion. The heartbreak may have been a constant companion, but it also became a source of motivation to strive for something better.

And so, I continued my odyssey...after I quit, of course, knowing that in the world of sim basketball, as in life, the journey itself is often more meaningful than the destination. The losses and heartbreak may meld together in a sea of disappointment, but they are also the building blocks of a story filled with determination and the pursuit of a dream. I have returned yet again to fill my sim life with more disappointment and unfulfilled hopes and dreams. But this time...it's different. This time I will bring this wayward Pelicans team to the Promised Land somehow, someway. Hopefully without the same enormous tax bill. But maybe still with an enormous tax bill. Who knows? Only time will tell where these adventures lead. Tune in and find out! On the NEXT episode of Dragonball Z!
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@Darth Vegito 1000words, +5pts
I did not realize real Kyrie got so crazy and awful because sim league Kyrie voodoo'd the shit out of real Kyrie. Now it all makes perfect sense. I'm sorry for your loss.
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