Ramblings of an AngryBanana: Point Revenue Sharing

[AngryBanana]

Hello everyone,
Before I even begin, please excuse this article if it is discombobulated at all. I’m just thinking while writing because I want to make sure I catch every idea related to this. Additionally, I want to point out that this is something that has come up before in PBSL history. On April 1, 2015 this article was dropped by PrepP. viewtopic.php?f=90&t=476. It was not very fleshed out, but was none the less talked among the GMs at the time. I decided to read through the article and I felt that there was a lot of good points brough up on both sides. I also think that PBSL is a very different game then it was in 2015. Over half the league has gone through a GM change. With that in mind I think it is a good time to bring this back up.
We have also only seen certain GMs that have remained at the top of the pyramid. Grizzlies, Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Pelicans, Bucks, Spurs. From 2038-2039 season to this last season these are the only teams to make it to the finals. That is in the last 14 years, only seven GMs have been able to make it to the finals. This can cause a problem with balance in the league. Where better performing teams, with a bigger market, always perform better in UFA then the ones struggling. It was part of the reason I moved from OKC to Boston (I wanted the large market). This also creates another advantage for the GMs, POINTS.
While I know that it costs a lot of points to go into tax for several season, that has not kept Garbageman from going under 30 points in a season since at least the 2041-2042 season. While yes, Josh is a very good GM, that has the ability to manage his books at a very high level, he also can rack up big bills and know that he will be able to pay it off.
So anyways, here is my suggestion for how to help teams, for instance like the Raptors, Rockets, Cavs, or Trailblazers, who are all indifferent situations, be able to compete and bring some diversity to this league. It will also help keep these points I mentioned before in circulation instead of them going away forever.
Here is how I am initially thinking it will play out. Every year there is a tax bill. Lets take the bill from last season to work on some hypotheticals. That seasons total bill count was 613 points (interestingly enough it has increased every of the past six years I have looked into it.). Of those bills, 351 points were paid out for that particular season (I don’t feel like seeing what other previous bills were paid lol.) There were There are also 12 teams that do not make the playoffs. Option one would be to break up the points evenly to each team that did not make the playoffs and do not have a pending tax bill (or we include them as a way to also answer our tax relief program.) In this situation we would break up the 351 points by 12. This would equate to 29 points per team. I round down in this situation because I do not want to also create points through this, just use what is already here. The other option would be to scale the points at a percentage basis either by the win loss record or by cap. In this situation. However, that would require more work and I am not willing to do it, nor do I think whoever would take this over would want to do as well. So the initial works best I think.
There is one other option. You could also change the number of teams receiving the total points to teams under the cap. Here, there would only be six teams that would fall into this category. Where each team would receive 58 points per team. I think that while this may also work, it also would hamper teams trying. The first option is still more optional because it wouldn’t completely promote tanking because you could still take chances (where a team like the Mavs this season wouldn’t be completely out of luck for taking a chance at winning.)
This very well still might go anywhere. Who knows. But I think it could be a way to promote parity in this thing and would be something that I think everyone would agree would be good (no one wants to see another Pistons.)
Regarding some of the concerns of the previous attempts at this. The first one is that teams are going to try to tank. This has long been a concern here. However, as someone that has tried to tank before, it is not as easy as it appears. Ask the Spurs GM. He has been trying to build up a young core for a few seasons, but is still met every year with challenges when trying to get the top draft pick. I also think we have not seen anyone go to extreme lengths to tank, to include clearly fielding inadequate teams. However, this can also be avoided I think. Where at the end of each season, if majority vote decides that a certain team does not deserve the points due to actively over-tanking (playing o/o players for instance) and not just being inactive, then they would be removed from the pool as well. Another good point was to have a salary floor. That could also help if players that are below y/y are not able to be signed above vet min deals. Hell, even REALLY bad teams like the Sonics still had a few wins. I also do not think that perfect DC participation is needed, as we all have had points of taking a back seat here.

Anyways this is just some thoughts of a rambling mind that saw a good opportunity to get some points. Please post below your thoughts so that maybe we could then further hash this out to a point of being able to vote.

[greepleairport]

~1020 words, +5pts.

No matter how DrK votes, I think there's some teeth to this idea. I also think it's an opportunity to create really structured rules around implementing it. Could be a new league responsibility @@K-100 ... lol

Seriously though, if we're redistributing 650pts to teams (this season's total lux tax), that's a lot of points. I think we can all agree that, despite several losing seasons, a team like the Spurs is not in need of point redistribution. I think some rules like, under the cap for x seasons, out of the playoffs for y seasons, and no titles for z seasons is a good starting point. ...but if we're waiting several seasons for one team to pay a bill, how is that recouped?

Oh, also some measure of GM activity. DC submissions are cool, but maybe add completing pressers? other forum activity?

[LazyTitanSmash]

The Spurs had 3 bad seasons to get those players. That's almost a full IRL year of PBLS without winning. I would keep it simple and not worry about it helping a team like the Spurs. If distribution helps a team like the Spurs that's fine.

[drkavarga]

Helping out certain teams as opposed to other teams is why I don't like it. Who cares who it helps? Nobody. As long as the teams that are over the tax and not paid off don't benefit from this is all that matters along with ALL loopholes eliminated. The loopholes such as being able to trade players and points while not having paid off their tax are why the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep ending up in the lotto.

[AngryBanana]

Keep in mind too, the bill amount for each team isn’t always fully paid. So of the amount this year that is due, not all of it would be distributed.

I think forcing teams to pay what they accumulate at the end of every season would also help prevent a huge bloated amount in one year, and less the next year. Where for instance, of K100’s about 400 point bill if he accumulated 35 pts at the end of the season it would have to go towards his bill and the revenue sharing pot.


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[LazyTitanSmash]

What is the maximum amount of points a GM can earn in a season from playoffs and GM participation, with an estimated win streak (excluding referrals, awards and league leaders/all star (or other player performances)?

[AngryBanana]

I could also see a cap to why a team could get as well. Where if the points came out to 30pts per team, there could be an escalated cap for each team.
Last place: 25pts cap
2nd to last: 20pts
3rd: 15
And so on.

So that if they are in a rebuild and want to build up a player they just drafted, they have more than the 15 pts they earned that previous season.


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[drkavarga]

Why would teams have cap based on record? That just helps the teams that are SOL going by how that read to me.

[AngryBanana]

Why would teams have cap based on record? That just helps the teams that are SOL going by how that read to me.

Because the teams that are the worst have the least ability to gain points.


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[drkavarga]

Why would teams have cap based on record? That just helps the teams that are SOL going by how that read to me.

Because the teams that are the worst have the least ability to gain points.


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I know that but if they have players that get good stats and end up winning the dunk contest, making the All-Star Team, making All-League Teams, etc. that counteracts that.

[Xist2Inspire]

Why would teams have cap based on record? That just helps the teams that are SOL going by how that read to me.

Because the teams that are the worst have the least ability to gain points.


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I know that but if they have players that get good stats and end up winning the dunk contest, making the All-Star Team, making All-League Teams, etc. that counteracts that.

Just popping in to say from experience, no, it doesn't counteract that. Usually if you're bad in this league, you're not going to have players who bring in points via those methods. Even if you do, it's usually one player, and the points earned aren't much in the grand scheme of things. Like, at all. You might get more points in a trade for that player than he'll earn you in a season. And if you have multiple guys earning points via those methods...you're probably not a bad team, or even middle-of-the-pack.

[IamQuailman]

Because the teams that are the worst have the least ability to gain points.


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I know that but if they have players that get good stats and end up winning the dunk contest, making the All-Star Team, making All-League Teams, etc. that counteracts that.

Just popping in to say from experience, no, it doesn't counteract that. Usually if you're bad in this league, you're not going to have players who bring in points via those methods. Even if you do, it's usually one player, and the points earned aren't much in the grand scheme of things. Like, at all. You might get more points in a trade for that player than he'll earn you in a season. And if you have multiple guys earning points via those methods...you're probably not a bad team, or even middle-of-the-pack.

BINGO! Thank you @Xist2Inspire for pointing out the obvious to THE DOCTOR... lol

I also still don't understand the point of "Teams in the tax CANNOT TRADE PLAYERS OR POINTS"... like what? lol First of all, they can't trade away points, only trade for. For Tax Teams, trading away players is one of the best avenues for tax reduction (whether taking on salaries or trading away players for points).

[drkavarga]

I know that but if they have players that get good stats and end up winning the dunk contest, making the All-Star Team, making All-League Teams, etc. that counteracts that.

Just popping in to say from experience, no, it doesn't counteract that. Usually if you're bad in this league, you're not going to have players who bring in points via those methods. Even if you do, it's usually one player, and the points earned aren't much in the grand scheme of things. Like, at all. You might get more points in a trade for that player than he'll earn you in a season. And if you have multiple guys earning points via those methods...you're probably not a bad team, or even middle-of-the-pack.

BINGO! Thank you @Xist2Inspire for pointing out the obvious to THE DOCTOR... lol

I also still don't understand the point of "Teams in the tax CANNOT TRADE PLAYERS OR POINTS"... like what? lol First of all, they can't trade away points, only trade for. For Tax Teams, trading away players is one of the best avenues for tax reduction (whether taking on salaries or trading away players for points).

So there's no penalties for them not paying their taxes? Let's just let them keep not paying and have nothing happen. That'll really stick it to them. Also stop trying to be an instigator on here. Not my fault you missed all this and now are stirring the pot again for no f***ing reason.

[IamQuailman]

Just popping in to say from experience, no, it doesn't counteract that. Usually if you're bad in this league, you're not going to have players who bring in points via those methods. Even if you do, it's usually one player, and the points earned aren't much in the grand scheme of things. Like, at all. You might get more points in a trade for that player than he'll earn you in a season. And if you have multiple guys earning points via those methods...you're probably not a bad team, or even middle-of-the-pack.

BINGO! Thank you @Xist2Inspire for pointing out the obvious to THE DOCTOR... lol

I also still don't understand the point of "Teams in the tax CANNOT TRADE PLAYERS OR POINTS"... like what? lol First of all, they can't trade away points, only trade for. For Tax Teams, trading away players is one of the best avenues for tax reduction (whether taking on salaries or trading away players for points).

So there's no penalties for them not paying their taxes? Let's just let them keep not paying and have nothing happen. That'll really stick it to then. Also stop trying to be an instigator on here. Not my fault you missed all this and now are stirring the pot again for no f***ing reason.

They can't KEEP PLAYING though.. they can't sign any good FAs, they can't re-sign leaving players, they can't re-sign RFAs, they can't train players. They can't put a competing team together while being in tax hell. Look at the Grizzlies last time and this off-season. They didn't do shit for seasons but they pumped out articles and worked the trade lines to help pay off their points so that they could play again FIVE SEASONS LATER (10 calendar months).

[drkavarga]

BINGO! Thank you @Xist2Inspire for pointing out the obvious to THE DOCTOR... lol

I also still don't understand the point of "Teams in the tax CANNOT TRADE PLAYERS OR POINTS"... like what? lol First of all, they can't trade away points, only trade for. For Tax Teams, trading away players is one of the best avenues for tax reduction (whether taking on salaries or trading away players for points).

So there's no penalties for them not paying their taxes? Let's just let them keep not paying and have nothing happen. That'll really stick it to then. Also stop trying to be an instigator on here. Not my fault you missed all this and now are stirring the pot again for no f***ing reason.

They can't KEEP PLAYING though.. they can't sign any good FAs, they can't re-sign leaving players, they can't re-sign RFAs, they can't train players. They can't put a competing team together while being in tax hell. Look at the Grizzlies last time and this off-season. They didn't do shit for seasons but they pumped out articles and worked the trade lines to help pay off their points so that they could play again FIVE SEASONS LATER (10 calendar months).

And that's why it's Tax Hell. The word Hell describes how it should be perfectly. Instead we're just giving them the benefit of the doubt. The loopholes need to go but that's just my stance on it.

[IamQuailman]

So there's no penalties for them not paying their taxes? Let's just let them keep not paying and have nothing happen. That'll really stick it to then. Also stop trying to be an instigator on here. Not my fault you missed all this and now are stirring the pot again for no f***ing reason.

They can't KEEP PLAYING though.. they can't sign any good FAs, they can't re-sign leaving players, they can't re-sign RFAs, they can't train players. They can't put a competing team together while being in tax hell. Look at the Grizzlies last time and this off-season. They didn't do shit for seasons but they pumped out articles and worked the trade lines to help pay off their points so that they could play again FIVE SEASONS LATER (10 calendar months).

And that's why it's Tax Hell. The word Hell describes how it should be perfectly. Instead we're just giving them the benefit of the doubt. The loopholes need to go but that's just my stance on it.

There are no loopholes. It's hell but you make them stay there indefinitely? I'm not saying bail them out. But I am saying allow teams to find a way to work themselves OUT of hell. Someone's gotta be willing to give them points in a trade to begin with... it's not FREEBIES

[garbageman]

How about if you go to tax jail, you have to be commissioner

[drkavarga]

How about if you go to tax jail, you have to be commissioner

Perfect

[AngryBanana]

How about if you go to tax jail, you have to be commissioner

Perfect

Perfect Communism


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[drkavarga]

How about if you go to tax jail, you have to be commissioner

Perfect

Perfect Communism


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Then it should be changed from Commissioner to President or Prime Minister