#SLOE: People's Basketball Sim League

WigNosy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:59 am Regrettably updated tax bills for Nuggets, Timberwolves due to playoff injuries forcing signings of additional players.

TheSyndicate wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:03 am

WigNosy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:59 am Regrettably updated tax bills for Nuggets, Timberwolves due to playoff injuries forcing signings of additional players.

How did I go from 0 to 17? Shouldn't I have gotten a player that didn't take me to the second tier? Not clearing my repeater was bad enough...is it codified anywhere that you get the BPA, and if it isn't shouldn't there be some accounting for teams in the tax because I'm sure when that 'rule' was created there wasn't a lux tax.

Also, just in general there should absolutely be a playoff exemption from tax additions due to injury, otherwise it disincentivizes making the playoffs for a fringe playoff team. 3 points for making the playoffs is pretty paltry compared to this tax bill plus whatever future cost there is in having to rebuild/reset the tax again. Happening to multiple teams this year and it's absolutely ridiculous.

JNR wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 am

TheSyndicate wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:03 am

WigNosy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:59 am Regrettably updated tax bills for Nuggets, Timberwolves due to playoff injuries forcing signings of additional players.

How did I go from 0 to 17? Shouldn't I have gotten a player that didn't take me to the second tier? Not clearing my repeater was bad enough...is it codified anywhere that you get the BPA, and if it isn't shouldn't there be some accounting for teams in the tax because I'm sure when that 'rule' was created there wasn't a lux tax.

Also, just in general there should absolutely be a playoff exemption from tax additions due to injury, otherwise it disincentivizes making the playoffs for a fringe playoff team. 3 points for making the playoffs is pretty paltry compared to this tax bill plus whatever future cost there is in having to rebuild/reset the tax again. Happening to multiple teams this year and it's absolutely ridiculous.

I 100% and with obvious bias support a playoff exemption.

TheSyndicate wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:56 am

JNR wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 am

TheSyndicate wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:03 am

How did I go from 0 to 17? Shouldn't I have gotten a player that didn't take me to the second tier? Not clearing my repeater was bad enough...is it codified anywhere that you get the BPA, and if it isn't shouldn't there be some accounting for teams in the tax because I'm sure when that 'rule' was created there wasn't a lux tax.

Also, just in general there should absolutely be a playoff exemption from tax additions due to injury, otherwise it disincentivizes making the playoffs for a fringe playoff team. 3 points for making the playoffs is pretty paltry compared to this tax bill plus whatever future cost there is in having to rebuild/reset the tax again. Happening to multiple teams this year and it's absolutely ridiculous.

I 100% and with obvious bias support a playoff exemption.

Okay cool, thanks Commish for the response.

WigNosy wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:02 pm

TheSyndicate wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:56 am

JNR wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 am

I 100% and with obvious bias support a playoff exemption.

Okay cool, thanks Commish for the response.

I don't like having to sign players for injury either, but the rules are the rules. We all agreed to those rules. If they need to be changed, let's have that discussion, but we have to play under the rules we have until we do decide to change them.

Admittedly, the Wolves are a more sympathetic case than the Nuggets - if you choose to go with 8 or 9 players and dare the injury bug not to hurt you that's on you - cap management includes making sure you have enough players to go through but the Wolves had like 12 dudes and had a bunch of late injuries which is much harder to plan for.

For the record, I think some sort of proposal is warranted. There are a number of ways to do this - perhaps salary added due to playoff injuries doesn't count toward the luxury tax. Perhaps any team with 12 players or more on its roster gets an exemption if injuries force more salary to be added even if it happens in the regular season. Perhaps a team should have an opportunity to cut players added mid-sim due to injury without that salary affecting their luxury tax status. There are a number of ways this problem could be "fixed" but I want to know what the league thinks, which is why I'm waiting to see some proposals and discussion. I'm not sure which fix (including ones I haven't mentioned above) is best for the league... that's why I need more brains than mine discussing things on the forum.

TheSyndicate wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:44 pm

WigNosy wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:02 pm

TheSyndicate wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:56 am

Okay cool, thanks Commish for the response.

I don't like having to sign players for injury either, but the rules are the rules. We all agreed to those rules. If they need to be changed, let's have that discussion, but we have to play under the rules we have until we do decide to change them.

Admittedly, the Wolves are a more sympathetic case than the Nuggets - if you choose to go with 8 or 9 players and dare the injury bug not to hurt you that's on you - cap management includes making sure you have enough players to go through but the Wolves had like 12 dudes and had a bunch of late injuries which is much harder to plan for.

For the record, I think some sort of proposal is warranted. There are a number of ways to do this - perhaps salary added due to playoff injuries doesn't count toward the luxury tax. Perhaps any team with 12 players or more on its roster gets an exemption if injuries force more salary to be added even if it happens in the regular season. Perhaps a team should have an opportunity to cut players added mid-sim due to injury without that salary affecting their luxury tax status. There are a number of ways this problem could be "fixed" but I want to know what the league thinks, which is why I'm waiting to see some proposals and discussion. I'm not sure which fix (including ones I haven't mentioned above) is best for the league... that's why I need more brains than mine discussing things on the forum.

Well at least that’s a response...

Personally I think that if something is viewed as pretty unfair our commish should be able to make it not so. Also I don’t recall where we created a rule governing lux tax in the playoffs.

DarthVegito wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:07 pm Our commish could make it not so if he chose to but with that being said that isn't how Wig rolls. He has for the most part not changed things or rules on the spot and has always preferred things be discussed and suggested and then voted on. It's not my preference for commishing, I prefer to rule with an iron fist. Trust me, the league was probably much better off having the "Shadow Council" cause it was a checks and balance on myself most of the time. Wig has been very consistent on that front so I'm fine with it. As long as it's consistent I can't complain about the way things are done. It was a shitty that happened, like really really shitty. But I would also say that I think it is a rare occurrence and that I personally wouldn't even waste my time with a suggestion. I expect to see one to straighten these rules up a bit and I foresee voting for that clarity, but when a suggestion is made I will probably argue against playoff injury exclusions to the tax as a whole. I think if you gamble going into the playoffs with 8-9 players then you should have to reap the consequences when you lose that bet. Not be bailed out. In a case where you go in having 10+ players(just a rough number) and get super unlucky with 2+ injuries, then maybe I can see some cushion there.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

JNR wrote:I like the suggestion of signing the lowest possible salary rather than the best. The person can always adjust after if they want someone better.