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Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:21 pm
by p_amour
Suggesting that we allow this feature, as it is a feature in the game and it is something a team can do in real life, if they so please.

It also save the negotiator from entering all the those number, if a team just want to offer a player what he desires.

Re: Offer Disered Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:27 pm
by 78#
Interesting idea. I do think it should be discussed.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:23 pm
by JNR
I don't see the harm in adding it. I'm for it.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:30 pm
by Soundwave
Sounds fine and could save the inputters time. But under no circumstances would I allow "$10 over desired salary" or something like that.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:45 pm
by ballsohard
Soundwave wrote:Sounds fine and could save the inputters time. But under no circumstances would I allow "$10 over desired salary" or something like that.
+1. We also aren't going to sit there and answer 100 question on what the desired contract actually is.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:14 pm
by LoCo89
ballsohard wrote:
Soundwave wrote:Sounds fine and could save the inputters time. But under no circumstances would I allow "$10 over desired salary" or something like that.
+1. We also aren't going to sit there and answer 100 question on what the desired contract actually is.
+1+1

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:19 pm
by LoCo89
LoCo89 wrote:
ballsohard wrote:
Soundwave wrote:Sounds fine and could save the inputters time. But under no circumstances would I allow "$10 over desired salary" or something like that.
+1. We also aren't going to sit there and answer 100 question on what the desired contract actually is.
+1+1
Wait, so what is essentially wanted is a blind bid? "Give him whatever he wants" arent there limitations with the way we do things? Lets say Player A wants more than Team B can give, but Team B wouldnt know that. Wouldn't they just be throwing away a bid? I mean the only other options I could see to avoid that would be to A) answer everyones question on what the contract is individually or B) announce everyones desired contract and both seem like theyd add more work. So I'm not sure what we'd be trying to accomplish by adding this option to Free Agency

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:25 pm
by WigNosy
LoCo89 wrote: Wait, so what is essentially wanted is a blind bid? "Give him whatever he wants" arent there limitations with the way we do things? Lets say Player A wants more than Team B can give, but Team B wouldnt know that. Wouldn't they just be throwing away a bid? I mean the only other options I could see to avoid that would be to A) answer everyones question on what the contract is individually or B) announce everyones desired contract and both seem like theyd add more work. So I'm not sure what we'd be trying to accomplish by adding this option to Free Agency
It is possible to quickly (2-3 mouse clicks) dump player contract wants to a single (large) text file which could be pasted in the FA thread.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:46 pm
by PrepP
I'd vote NO on this process. I like how FA is handled now with the blind bids.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:59 pm
by 78#
I'd vote yes on offer desired. I'm on the fence about dumping all the wants on a file though I guess if anyone had a concern about the inputters knowing what a player wants (that means you Quail!!) that would eliminate all doubt.

It would be a game changer.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:42 pm
by NOLa.
Not sure how I lean on this one yet. I like any idea that can lessen the strain on inputters, but I like the idea of blind bids as it adds excitement to free agency in not knowing what teams may offer.

Plus this isnt a vote right now, just suggestions and hashing the idea out (something as a league we need to participate in more).

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:48 pm
by ballsohard
78# wrote:I'd vote yes on offer desired. I'm on the fence about dumping all the wants on a file though I guess if anyone had a concern about the inputters knowing what a player wants (that means you Quail!!) that would eliminate all doubt.

It would be a game changer.
I think it'd have minimal impact at best.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:48 pm
by ballsohard
WigNosy wrote:
LoCo89 wrote: Wait, so what is essentially wanted is a blind bid? "Give him whatever he wants" arent there limitations with the way we do things? Lets say Player A wants more than Team B can give, but Team B wouldnt know that. Wouldn't they just be throwing away a bid? I mean the only other options I could see to avoid that would be to A) answer everyones question on what the contract is individually or B) announce everyones desired contract and both seem like theyd add more work. So I'm not sure what we'd be trying to accomplish by adding this option to Free Agency
It is possible to quickly (2-3 mouse clicks) dump player contract wants to a single (large) text file which could be pasted in the FA thread.
Last time someone told me that i did the clicks and next thing i know i was living in a van by the river:

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Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:20 pm
by IamQuailman
I'm not entirely a fan of it. For a few reasons...

1) Who cares what they want exactly? The whole point of Free Agency is to outbid each other, not to blindly give a FA what they want. It adds an air of complete randomness to the game by no one knowing what the players want. Now you might say, "Quail, you can see it since you're an inputter." True, I can when I'm inputting. But I don't even look in the system until I PM my bids to The Negotiator. The other inputters follow the same suit (don't even look at PMs sent to Negotiator until all of our own bids are put in).
2) Part of Free Agency is that the GMs in this league set the price, not the player. Sure he may have a desired amount. But if he doesn't get that desired amount from anyone, tough tits for him. He'll pick from all the lower offers instead. I think, while it is convenient to have a button for desired contract, the onus needs to be on the GMs sending their offers to work something out on their team and how the contracts fit into a plan.

So excuse me if I disagree with the desire to have a simple out of "contract desired".

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:03 am
by Inner_GI
Just seems lazy to just send out 10 "Desired" bids, and we don't know how the game will handle it. I like the current FA. It's so much fun to see what teams pay for certain FAs, and obviously the instant regret I get after I pm my bids.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:24 am
by 78#
Inner_GI wrote:Just seems lazy to just send out 10 "Desired" bids, and we don't know how the game will handle it. I like the current FA. It's so much fun to see what teams pay for certain FAs, and obviously the instant regret I get after I pm my bids.
Speaking of experience, I even feel the regret of your bids.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:38 am
by Conroy
I don't think I like it.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:01 am
by RPF
im against this, FA isnt about paying what they want.
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Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:03 am
by ballsohard
RPF wrote: Image
Is this what the playoffs press when they talk about the spurs in the playoffs?

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:03 am
by Inner_GI
78# wrote:
Inner_GI wrote:Just seems lazy to just send out 10 "Desired" bids, and we don't know how the game will handle it. I like the current FA. It's so much fun to see what teams pay for certain FAs, and obviously the instant regret I get after I pm my bids.
Speaking of experience, I even feel the regret of your bids.
I don't know what you mean by that.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:10 am
by RPF
ballsohard wrote:
RPF wrote: Image
Is this what the playoffs press when they talk about the spurs in the playoffs?
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Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:59 am
by Eazy P
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Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:05 pm
by Sources
Inner_GI wrote:
78# wrote:
Inner_GI wrote:Just seems lazy to just send out 10 "Desired" bids, and we don't know how the game will handle it. I like the current FA. It's so much fun to see what teams pay for certain FAs, and obviously the instant regret I get after I pm my bids.
Speaking of experience, I even feel the regret of your bids.
I don't know what you mean by that.
I meant speaking from experience since in the past I instantly regretted some bids I submitted.

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:12 pm
by Xist2Inspire
SOURCES WAS 78 ALL ALONG???? :shock:

Re: Offer Desired Option

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:40 pm
by IamQuailman
Xist2Inspire wrote:SOURCES WAS 78 ALL ALONG???? :shock:
LOL