#SLOE: People's Basketball Sim League

Bringing this up now as we have a wait list and it's something that's been bandied about in Skype a bit. Bringing it up early gives us a lot of time to discuss. Note that FBB supports up to 40 teams per league.

1. EXPANSION

I would propose that IF we do expand, here are the "built-in" FBB rules (with my suggested changes):

* There is an expansion draft in which the expansion team(s) select from players already under contract with other teams. Each team must expose at least one player under contract the following year to the expansion draft. Each teams may "protect" no more than seven players from the expansion draft.

* Teams are permitted to trade other assets (players/picks) to an expansion team in consideration for that team selecting (or refusing to select) an exposed player from their own squad.

* The expansion draft takes place prior to the rookie draft.

* The expansion team is in the draft lottery. By default, the expansion team is given the "best odds" to win the #1 overall pick as though it were the worst team in the league. (Wig's suggestion: just like the most recent real-life expansion teams, rule that an expansion team may not win a top-3 pick in the lottery their inaugural season; their first-round picks are moved down until out of the top 3).

2. RE-ALIGNMENT

Expansion gives us a perfect excuse to re-align the league from 2 divisions per conference to 3 or 4 divisions per conference. There are a number of ways we could go about this. Even if we don't expand, it might be of interest to look at re-alignment.

* If we have just one expansion team, use the "real" NBA divisions and assign teams that way. (The Thunder/Sonics still make sense in the Northwest). If it's just one team, do we move the Hornets back to Charlotte and add the "New Orleans Pelicans" or bring in the Charlotte Bobcats?

* Making our own divisions (for example, we could go away from the traditional Eastern/Western conference and slice things the other way to make a Northern/Southern Conference or do conferences that are geographically scattered across the country a la football's AFC/NFC and baseball's AL/NL). This would bust up some old rivalries, but it also gives us a chance to make new ones and if done every 25 seasons or so, could be a way of significantly refreshing the league on an occasional basis.

* We are about to start using fictional players from college. Is it time to allow fictional relocations and fictional team names as well? Not sure this will be very popular, especially because a lot of long-timers are now well-associated with their team names - but if there is ever a time to ask it is during this type of discussion.

So no real concrete suggestion here in part 2 yet, just trying to spark some discussion. I for one would love to "move" the Hawks to Manhattan to debut a team called the "Manhattan Project."

Wig is there flexibility in the game ( as an option to us) to have a pool for playoffs and throw the top seeds in opposite sides and break it apart as 1 overall seed versus 16 overall seed ?

ballsohard wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 12:05 pm Wig is there flexibility in the game ( as an option to us) to have a pool for playoffs and throw the top seeds in opposite sides and break it apart as 1 overall seed versus 16 overall seed ?

Yes; to do this, however, the game would have to be set up as follows:

1 Conference (not sure what this would do to the All-Star Weekend)
4 to 6 Divisions in the 1 conference.
Playoff Seeding could be done either "Top 2 records first" (i.e., the best records get the top seeds, even if they are in the same division) or "division winners first" (N division winners get the top N seeds, then non-division winners get seeded next in order of record).

I like the idea of expanding one more team if we can keep a full crew. We still run into instances where stewards are needed and it doesn't feel that long go we had a steward -run team. But if we start filling up and have an actual wait list I think it will be neat.

I do not like realigning the divisions too randomly/fictitious and relocations/rebranding teams.


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I'm up for an expansion, but not open to realigning.

Pro-expansion, and using real-ish realignment

As for re-alignment, it could be kinda cool to institute some rivalries. We could keep some current rivalries that exist and add in some new ones.

Here's some examples of fun rivalries that can be created if we re-aligned:
Bulls and Wolves
Lakers, Bucks, 76ers
Suns and Heat
Warriors, Kings, 76ers, whatever Chad gets
Nets and Spurs

I'm not exactly sure how it could work, but maybe if every team submitted a list of the top 3 teams they'd like to be in a division with, we (I could help with this) could work on finding 4-6 divisions that'd form more and better rivalries and make division titles even more meaningful.


Also, if I can finally move to Mexico City for my 150,000 seat arena 24 seasons after proposing it, I'm all for it.

I actually really like the idea of expansion. Thunder and Pelicans make sense. Vegas team maybe.


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I'm totally in favor of expansion as long as we feel that we have enough stable GMs around to not have more than 1-2 "inactive" teams at a time. I believe we've reached a point where we can for sure add one next season. Since there are existing teams that we don't have, starting with of them (instead of coming up with a totally fictional new team) would be best, I think.

WigNosy wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 12:02 pm * The expansion team is in the draft lottery. By default, the expansion team is given the "best odds" to win the #1 overall pick as though it were the worst team in the league. (Wig's suggestion: just like the most recent real-life expansion teams, rule that an expansion team may not win a top-3 pick in the lottery their inaugural season; their first-round picks are moved down until out of the top 3).

I've never liked this, though. I never understood the logic behind further handicapping a beginning franchise that would already be scraping the bottom of the barrel talent-wise thanks to the expansion draft.

WigNosy wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 12:02 pm 2. RE-ALIGNMENT

Expansion gives us a perfect excuse to re-align the league from 2 divisions per conference to 3 or 4 divisions per conference. There are a number of ways we could go about this. Even if we don't expand, it might be of interest to look at re-alignment.

* If we have just one expansion team, use the "real" NBA divisions and assign teams that way. (The Thunder/Sonics still make sense in the Northwest). If it's just one team, do we move the Hornets back to Charlotte and add the "New Orleans Pelicans" or bring in the Charlotte Bobcats?

* Making our own divisions (for example, we could go away from the traditional Eastern/Western conference and slice things the other way to make a Northern/Southern Conference or do conferences that are geographically scattered across the country a la football's AFC/NFC and baseball's AL/NL). This would bust up some old rivalries, but it also gives us a chance to make new ones and if done every 25 seasons or so, could be a way of significantly refreshing the league on an occasional basis.


* We are about to start using fictional players from college. Is it time to allow fictional relocations and fictional team names as well? Not sure this will be very popular, especially because a lot of long-timers are now well-associated with their team names - but if there is ever a time to ask it is during this type of discussion.

I like this as well. Creating fake sports leagues and such is actually a bit of a hobby of mine, so if we vote this in, I'd love to help figure out who goes where in a realignment and what the division/conference names would be. (Loco will finally have to pick a city though )

I'm a little bit less enthusiastic about fictional relocations and rebrandings, if only because that could get crazy real quick. I have tried to make custom team logos for use in fbb before though, so I'm sure I could create the logos necessary for new teams. I also hang around a sports design forum with an extensive database, so I can confidently say that there's no shortage of existing logos (real or fictional) out there for potential new identities.

Still, I feel like there should be some sort of restriction to keep things from getting too out of hand, like someone putting a team in Waco or something. Maybe only one team can relocate/rebrand a season, and it has to be put to a vote? Someone compiles a list of suitable markets/arenas to choose from? I dunno.

Xist2Inspire wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 12:27 am (Loco will finally have to pick a city thouoh

Idk what the rest says but I am now against this

It'd be great to have one more team to even up the conferences and split into 3 divisions of 5 per conference. The West has it too easy right now with only 6 teams that don't make the playoffs instead of 7!

garbageman wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:45 am It'd be great to have one more team to even up the conferences and split into 3 divisions of 5 per conference. The West has it too easy right now with only 6 teams that don't make the playoffs instead of 7!

NO SHIZZ, I agree.

Based on the feedback I'm seeing here, I think I can move forward with an actual proposal. As much as possible, I would like to try to keep team names to NBA teams that have played in recent memory. This becomes a three-part proposal but I think each part depends on the other previous part being approved so I think it would be best to vote for this all in once piece.

PART I: EXPANSION

I propose we expand the league by one team, with expansion draft rules as laid out earlier in the thread.

PART II: NEW ORLEANS HORNETS

I propose we allow Nick Malone to choose whether he would like to move the Hornets (back) to Charlotte or if he would like to remain in New Orleans and change his team name to the Pelicans.

If Nick moves the Hornets to Charlotte, the Hornets will remain in the Eastern Conference. The expansion team will play in the Western Conference. The expansion team will be either the New Orleans Pelicans or the Oklahoma City Thunder (new owner's choice).

If Nick remains in New Orleans and becomes the Pelicans, he will move into the Western Conference. The expansion team will play in the Eastern Conference. The expansion team will be either the Charlotte Bobcats or the Charlotte Hornets (new owner's choice).

PART III: PROPOSED NEW DIVISIONS:

Divisional alignments will be matched as closely as possible to current NBA divisions, to wit:

Eastern Conference - Atlantic Division - 76ers, Celtics, Knicks, Nets, Raptors
Eastern Conference - Central Division - Bucks, Bulls, Cavaliers, Pacers, Pistons
Eastern Conference - Southeast Division - Hawks, Heat, Hornets (or Bobcats), Magic, Wizards
Western Conference - Northwest Division - Jazz, Nuggets, Sonics, Timberwolves, Trailblazers
Western Conference - Pacific Division - Clippers, Kings, Lakers, Suns, Warriors
Western Conference - Southwest Division - Grizzlies, Mavericks, Pelicans (or Thunder), Rockets, Spurs

Yep - 100% good with this.

Same

WigNosy wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 1:55 pm Based on the feedback I'm seeing here, I think I can move forward with an actual proposal. As much as possible, I would like to try to keep team names to NBA teams that have played in recent memory. This becomes a three-part proposal but I think each part depends on the other previous part being approved so I think it would be best to vote for this all in once piece.

PART I: EXPANSION

I propose we expand the league by one team, with expansion draft rules as laid out earlier in the thread.

PART II: NEW ORLEANS HORNETS

I propose we allow Nick Malone to choose whether he would like to move the Hornets (back) to Charlotte or if he would like to remain in New Orleans and change his team name to the Pelicans.

If Nick moves the Hornets to Charlotte, the Hornets will remain in the Eastern Conference. The expansion team will play in the Western Conference. The expansion team will be either the New Orleans Pelicans or the Oklahoma City Thunder (new owner's choice).

If Nick remains in New Orleans and becomes the Pelicans, he will move into the Western Conference. The expansion team will play in the Eastern Conference. The expansion team will be either the Charlotte Bobcats or the Charlotte Hornets (new owner's choice).

PART III: PROPOSED NEW DIVISIONS:

Divisional alignments will be matched as closely as possible to current NBA divisions, to wit:

Eastern Conference - Atlantic Division - 76ers, Celtics, Knicks, Nets, Raptors
Eastern Conference - Central Division - Bucks, Bulls, Cavaliers, Pacers, Pistons
Eastern Conference - Southeast Division - Hawks, Heat, Hornets (or Bobcats), Magic, Wizards
Western Conference - Northwest Division - Jazz, Nuggets, Sonics, Timberwolves, Trailblazers
Western Conference - Pacific Division - Clippers, Kings, Lakers, Suns, Warriors
Western Conference - Southwest Division - Grizzlies, Mavericks, Pelicans (or Thunder), Rockets, Spurs

I am pro expansion.

Pro realignment.

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Pro staying in New Orleans and moving to the Western Conference.

Where is the Hawks move to the Euro League option?




In all seriousness I'm for this.

I like it


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Sounds great!

I dig it

All on board.

Is the idea of creating our own 6 divisions off the table?

I think we need to vote on a lot of this ..

For one this rule that you can trade for someone to not take a player needs to be removed imo.

Bowtothebill23 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:23 pm Is the idea of creating our own 6 divisions off the table?

It's not off the table, but my sense was there was not a lot of support for it. I would love to see a counter-suggestion with other possible alignments.

ballsohard wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:38 pm I think we need to vote on a lot of this ..

For one this rule that you can trade for someone to not take a player needs to be removed imo.

Personally, I prefer to see a lively discussion, a consensus proposal, and then a vote. Discussion prior to voting makes for better proposals in the first place.

I am curious, though - why are you opposed to the idea of being able to trade (e.g., a pick) for someone not to take a player in an expansion draft?