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Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:44 pm
by Bowtothebill23
WigNosy wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:43 pm
Bowtothebill23 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:23 pm Is the idea of creating our own 6 divisions off the table?
It's not off the table, but my sense was there was not a lot of support for it. I would love to see a counter-suggestion with other possible alignments. :)
Here are 2 quick realignments that I came up with. I really don't know many rivalries or who people would like to be in divisions with outside of people who I've been rivals with in the past. If I got everyone to send me 2-3 teams they'd like to be in a division with, I could make a better one that would make everyone happy. I basically went with what I knew, and if I wasn't sure, I tried to keep it similar to current divisions.

First Proposal: Rivalries

CONFERENCE 1:
Division 1: Kings, Warriors, Chad, Blazers, Clippers ---> I know the most about my rivals and who their rivals are. This keeps some of the Pacific together and adds Chad who is an old rival of mine and Tani's
Division 2: 76ers, Bucks, Lakers, Hornets, Jazz ---> Scott, Doug, and Tray are good friends, Nick's gotten to know them over skype, and Gary is friends with Doug
Division 3: Nuggets, Wolves, Bulls, Mavs, Magic ---> The Raby + people Raby referred and Ryan division

CONFERENCE 2:
Division 1: Hawks, Raptors, Pacers, Cavs, Pistons ---> Didn't know much so I kept the Central together
Division 2: Rockets, Nets, Spurs, Sonics, Grizzlies ---> People who have been in the league since the very beginning, RPF and Eazy are in a division together
Divsion 3: Wizards, Heat, Suns, Celtics, Knicks ---> Again, didn't know much about Eastern teams so I kept Atlantic together but united Messis


Second proposal: Competitive balance
I tried to spread out the best GMs over each conference and division. After the first bit, I just tried to make rivalries and spread out new GMs

CONFERENCE 1:
Division 1: Hawks, Rockets, Pacers, Knicks, Sonics
Division 2: Chad, Blazers, Mavs, Grizzlies, Cavs
Division 3: Nuggets, Celtics, Suns, Heat, Magic

CONFERENCE 2:
Division 1: 76ers, Wizards, Nets, Spurs, Pistons
Division 2: Kings, Warriors, Hornets, Clippers, Jazz
Division 3: Bucks, Raptors, Wolves, Lakers, Bulls


Again, if there was interest, I could take everyone's preferences and try to make divisions people would like more for either proposal. Even for the second proposal, there's probably a top top tier of GMs, and after that, there's not a WHOLE lot of difference between the rest of the league so we could focus more on rivalries. These 2 proposals would hopefully A) create more competitive divisions, and B) Make division competition and rivalries stronger

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:00 pm
by garbageman
WigNosy wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:43 pm
Bowtothebill23 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:23 pm Is the idea of creating our own 6 divisions off the table?
It's not off the table, but my sense was there was not a lot of support for it. I would love to see a counter-suggestion with other possible alignments. :)
Yeah, personally I'm not too big on such a huge change. We just had a gigantic change to the training system. If we're rearranging a ton of different things year in and year out and making sweeping changes, it makes it a little more pointless to try any strategy that takes more than a season to develop.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:03 pm
by Xist2Inspire
WigNosy wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:43 pm
Bowtothebill23 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:23 pm Is the idea of creating our own 6 divisions off the table?
It's not off the table, but my sense was there was not a lot of support for it. I would love to see a counter-suggestion with other possible alignments. :)
Here's one. This assumes that Charlotte will be the expansion team. It's similar to real-life NBA, but different enough to shake things up a bit more, which is something most seem to want.

Division I (Potential Names: Mountain, Pacific, Northwestern, Cascadian)
Vancouver Grizzlies
Seattle Supersonics
Portland Trail Blazers
Golden State Warriors
Sacramento Kings
Loco, Bow, and Nola are now division rivals

Division II (Potential Names: Frontier, Southwestern, Old West, Western)
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Utah Jazz
Phoenix Suns
Denver Nuggets

Division III: (Potential Names: Southern, Old South,
Dixie)

Dallas Mavericks
San Antonio Spurs
Atlanta Hawks
Houston Rockets
New Orleans
Wig gets the challenge of dealing with mostly all-new divisional competition

Division IV: (Potential Names: Heartland, Pioneer, Midwestern, Great Lakes)
Minnesota Timberwolves
Milwaukee Bucks
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
Cleveland Cavaliers
Quail, JNR, and Garbageman are now division rivals

Division V: (Potential Names: Coastal, Southeastern, Atlantic, Colonial)
Philadelphia 76ers
Washington Wizards
Orlando Magic
Miami Heat
Charlotte
Balls and Darth go head-to-head in the same division

Division VI: (Potential Names: Metro, Northeastern, Eastern)
New York Knicks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics
Toronto Raptors
Detroit Pistons
Conroy vs. Wave

West/East Setup:
West: Divisions I-III
East: Divisions IV-VI
Most similar to actual NBA

North/South Setup:
North: Divisions I, IV, & VI
South: Divisions II, III, & V
The Messis are now in the same conference; Balls and Darth are now in the same conference as their original teams; Wave, Quail, JNR, Loco, Bow, Nola, Garbageman, Conroy, Inner are all in the same conference(!!!)

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:27 pm
by ballsohard
WigNosy wrote:
ballsohard wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:38 pm I think we need to vote on a lot of this ..

For one this rule that you can trade for someone to not take a player needs to be removed imo.
Personally, I prefer to see a lively discussion, a consensus proposal, and then a vote. Discussion prior to voting makes for better proposals in the first place.

I am curious, though - why are you opposed to the idea of being able to trade (e.g., a pick) for someone not to take a player in an expansion draft?

I really think the primary point of an expansion draft is to fill a roster not to get assets. So selection of players should be used as that.. if we're worried about them getting assets they'll just cut anyway maybe we just make it 8 round or 6, but I don't think an expansion draft is to give an expansion draft should be to give them leverage on teams that have to offer up players.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:00 pm
by Darth Vegito
Ok so since I will be that expansion team, can we talk more about expansion in general.

What is the purpose of expansion draft? Just to fill a roster? Field below average to average players and be in the lottery for the first 3-5 years? I honestly don't know a thing about the expansions irl so I have no clue what the actual intention of the expansion draft is for the new team.

Also I don't understand the premise behind the new team with what sounds like the worst players in the league not being able to get a top 3 pick.

And I could be totally wrong about it being all awful players, just in my mind it sounds like it would be. And I'm not in the league at all until the team is made so I get no vote. Just wanting to understand what I can expect with an expansion team and draft.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:03 pm
by garbageman
Just spitballing here...what if the expansion team got a certain number of points to begin with in order to train all the players?

Who knows...I'm sure that there might be some solid players on bad contracts available to the expansion draft, too, but with the new training system, a team full of y/y players with a decent amount of points, could turn some of them into prospects without established teams needing to worry about losing their future players.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:58 pm
by Darth Vegito
It was discussed that future gms on waiting lists could participate in the media portion today way they can acquire points leading up to getting their team. Maybe since its only media where one can obtain points while waiting, maybe the cap could be removed for waiting gms. :D

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:03 pm
by LoCo89
FOH

:P

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:00 am
by Eazy P
I am for expansion but if we do the realignment I rather the realignment mimick the real NBA as far as teams and divisions. Don't like the Idea of creating your own team name and city. To me I rather us to just keep it simple.

ATLANTIC

Boston Celtics
Toronto Raptors
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers
Brooklyn Nets

CENTRAL

Cleveland Cavs
Milwaukee Bucks
Indiana Pacers
Chicago Bulls
Detroit Pistons

SOUTHEAST

Washington Wizards
Atlanta Hawks
Miami Heat
Charlotte Harnets
Orlando Magic



NORTHWEST

Utah Jazz
OKC Thunder
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Denver Nuggets

PACIFIC

Golden State Warriors
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Sacramento Kings
Phoenix Suns

SOUTHWEST

Dallas Mavs
Houston Rockets
San Antonio Spurs
Memphis Grizz
New Orleans Pelicans

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 3:33 pm
by NickMalone77
Eazy P wrote: Thu May 18, 2017 9:00 am I am for expansion but if we do the realignment I rather the realignment mimick the real NBA as far as teams and divisions. Don't like the Idea of creating your own team name and city. To me I rather us to just keep it simple.

ATLANTIC

Boston Celtics
Toronto Raptors
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers
Brooklyn Nets

CENTRAL

Cleveland Cavs
Milwaukee Bucks
Indiana Pacers
Chicago Bulls
Detroit Pistons

SOUTHEAST

Washington Wizards
Atlanta Hawks
Miami Heat
Charlotte Harnets
Orlando Magic



NORTHWEST

Utah Jazz
OKC Thunder
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Denver Nuggets

PACIFIC

Golden State Warriors
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Sacramento Kings
Phoenix Suns

SOUTHWEST

Dallas Mavs
Houston Rockets
San Antonio Spurs
Memphis Grizz
New Orleans Pelicans
Agreed for real NBA alignment in SLOE.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:36 pm
by WigNosy
Not sure I want to kill off the Sonics (and make them into the Thunder) if we re-align. How do others feel?

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:40 pm
by Inner_GI
I like the NBA division alignment keeping the Sonics.

I think that it offers up a big enough shakeup to the current divisions to make it new and fun. Also I think it balances out the GM talent pretty well.

Re: Expansion and Re-Alignment

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:20 am
by IamQuailman
I say leave it up to the Sonics GM/Owner Make It Rain. Give him the option, but ultimately its his team.