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Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:20 pm
by 42PhD
Flat out, egregious errors can't be fixed. Just take it, or take it and lose an overpaid blue guy, bid on scraps.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:20 pm
by 42PhD
There are no errors when they happen to the Cavs.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:21 pm
by 42PhD
When people did not get to bid on Cavs RFA's, wait... Put the League on hold. Make daammmmnnnn sure the prices go up.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:22 pm
by 42PhD
When the Cavs get hammered and others benefit, Cavs eat it, or Cavs eat it differently.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:23 pm
by 42PhD
The facts look different when they are all lined up. The patterns are clearer, aren't they?
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:24 pm
by 42PhD
No, no. Don't agree. Keep your heads down, or you are next.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:25 pm
by 42PhD
I'll just lay it out until I am silenced.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:26 pm
by IamQuailman
The mistake 42 is talking about is 100% on me. When inputting contracts, I hit an extra zero at the end of the end of Webber's intended offer. If the keyed value in the contract field is larger than the max amount, the field will autocorrect to the max available space when tabbing out. That is what happened in this situation.
As I mentioned in the PM to 42, there is no "undo"ing UFA. We would literally have to undo the entire offseason, revert back to the S17 End Of Season save file (our last backup that hasn't been overwritten). The file we save all things on is the PBSL file (which we save over with the updates after every offseason event/upload).
Undoing the entire off-season is not an option. The options that *are* on the table are (as 42 mentioned):
a) Keep webber on his deal (its essentially a 1 year contract if you want it to be)
b) Return Webber to the UFA pool and return your cap space to it's pre-Webber state.
Unfortunately this was a mistake made by me. And unfortunately, the only 2 realistic options are the ones listed above. A decision needs to be made by 11:59am CDT tomorrow so that the index can be updated accordingly.
Again, I am extremely sorry that this happened; trust me that this is something i never want to happen or have to deal with. It's a hard decision to make, but it's the decision that was made.
Wig will have more of an announcement on the following later on, but looking to next off-season, people will have the option of inputting their own bids and DCs going forward. So if you desire you, won't have to worry about our <expletive deleted> anymore.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:26 pm
by 42PhD
Even if you keep it all clean, can you be confident in your bids? DCs? Picks?
What about when rules apply you suddenly but not to others?
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:28 pm
by 42PhD
What is the point? If you can't be confident that your controller works, why play? Or that you have no recourse when it is error after error after error against YOU way more than others?
Just ask yourself: are you IN? If the answer is anything but "yes," I'd look closely at things.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:31 pm
by 42PhD
Pelicans lost. Rant slowing while I prepare my fun. I'm sure it'll all be vetoed, but that's fine.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:38 pm
by IamQuailman
42PhD wrote:Even if you keep it all clean, can you be confident in your bids? DCs? Picks?
What about when rules apply you suddenly but not to others?
I mean, if you aren't confident, I could just not input the rest of UFA or the off-season. Would be no skin off my back at all. We can wait until Wig gets back from his trip later this week and then after that until he has his system up in place and running where people can input their own shit.
Your shit got messed up, yeah. I Fryeing get it. Nothing I can Fryeing do about it outside of what I Fryeing said in my post. I'm not going to re-Fryeing-do the entire Fryeing off-season. Inputting bids alone cost me 3 and a half hours AT WORK, including the one hour past the time I was free to go, in order to get this shit out today.
Welcome to the Breaking Point; Population: 1. Me.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:39 pm
by LoCo89
IamQuailman wrote:42PhD wrote:Even if you keep it all clean, can you be confident in your bids? DCs? Picks?
What about when rules apply you suddenly but not to others?
I mean, if you aren't confident, I could just not input the rest of UFA or the off-season. Would be no skin off my back at all. We can wait until Wig gets back from his trip later this week and then after that until he has his system up in place and running where people can input their own shit.
Your shit got messed up, yeah. I Fryeing get it. Nothing I can Fryeing do about it outside of what I Fryeing said in my post. I'm not going to re-Fryeing-do the entire Fryeing off-season. Inputting bids alone cost me 3 and a half hours AT WORK, including the one hour past the time I was free to go, in order to get this shit out today.
Welcome to the Breaking Point; Population: 1. Me.
You missed a Fryeing in there
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:49 pm
by 42PhD
Now I don't get to complain? Seriously, am I misrepresenting something? You got something done on time, just not the UFA bids.
The effort is appreciated. Fast has been chosen over right. Repeatedly. Not twice. Not three times.
And the care, or lack of it, during the fast times has an empirical structure.
Why is it ok to make mistakes but not ok to point them out with ever-increasing vigor as the errors mount?
It's not the error. I said it time and time again. It's what is done about them, or not, that is way more important.
Enough errors that I noticed have been made public to call it a pattern. Intentional or not, it is a pattern. Maybe others don't notice the ones affecting them. Maybe it's just me.
I will, however, say my piece since I have to live with FA as is, perhaps without overpaid Webber.
And I will say it as often as I want.
And I will make damn sure this is worth it.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:51 pm
by 42PhD
Do the people want correct later or roll the dice (for some) now?
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:52 pm
by IamQuailman
IamQuailman wrote:The mistake 42 is talking about is 100% on me. When inputting contracts, I hit an extra zero at the end of the end of Webber's intended offer. If the keyed value in the contract field is larger than the max amount, the field will autocorrect to the max available space when tabbing out. That is what happened in this situation.
As I mentioned in the PM to 42, there is no "undo"ing UFA. We would literally have to undo the entire offseason, revert back to the S17 End Of Season save file (our last backup that hasn't been overwritten). The file we save all things on is the PBSL file (which we save over with the updates after every offseason event/upload).
Undoing the entire off-season is not an option. The options that *are* on the table are (as 42 mentioned):
a) Keep webber on his deal (its essentially a 1 year contract if you want it to be)
b) Return Webber to the UFA pool and return your cap space to it's pre-Webber state.
Unfortunately this was a mistake made by me. And unfortunately, the only 2 realistic options are the ones listed above. A decision needs to be made by 11:59am CDT tomorrow so that the index can be updated accordingly.
Again, I am extremely sorry that this happened; trust me that this is something i never want to happen or have to deal with. It's a hard decision to make, but it's the decision that was made.
Wig will have more of an announcement on the following later on, but looking to next off-season, people will have the option of inputting their own bids and DCs going forward. So if you desire you, won't have to worry about our <expletive deleted> anymore.
Updated time.
Also, if Webber does re-enter the FA pool, then UFA Round 2 bids submitted are allowed to be updated to reflect that.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:52 pm
by 42PhD
Why blow off work to do this on some rush schedule in a distracted environment if that is the source of errors?
Is that the best choice? For you? For the League?
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:57 pm
by 42PhD
I gave other options, by the way.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:00 pm
by 42PhD
Couldn't have a sooner deadline? Rushing to fix it has to better than actually taking the time to do it right.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:05 pm
by 42PhD
How many times does it need to happen before it's OK to point out the problem?
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:05 pm
by ballsohard
42PhD wrote:Now I don't get to complain? Seriously, am I misrepresenting something? You got something done on time, just not the UFA bids.
The effort is appreciated. Fast has been chosen over right. Repeatedly. Not twice. Not three times.
And the care, or lack of it, during the fast times has an empirical structure.
Why is it ok to make mistakes but not ok to point them out with ever-increasing vigor as the errors mount?
It's not the error. I said it time and time again. It's what is done about them, or not, that is way more important.
Enough errors that I noticed have been made public to call it a pattern. Intentional or not, it is a pattern. Maybe others don't notice the ones affecting them. Maybe it's just me.
I will, however, say my piece since I have to live with FA as is, perhaps without overpaid Webber.
And I will say it as often as I want.
And I will make damn sure this is worth it.
Enough with the bullshit. You're taking this too far. A mistake was made. More than one mistake was made. You're dragging it and the league through the coals. The league's seen it and at this point everything you're saying has been heard at length. You're creating conspiracies that aren't there. Move on. The solution is, keep him or let him go. We can't go back in time ; in the game or real life.
Sleep on it and make your decision; we like you and want you here. I'd love to get a better checks and balances system or a self entered system which was proposed by wig. You've beaten the dead horse, use that energy to come with a better solution. If you keep up with this rant you will force my hand and make me do something i'd rather not.
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:07 pm
by 42PhD
Maybe I misinput that post
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:27 am
by IamQuailman
Index updated to reflect Chris Webber as a UFA. Cavs cap space updated. Spurs/Clippers S&T will be processed once the Spurs cut 1 player.
If you have submitted your bids and would like to edit them to reflect the Chris Webber insertion, please PM the Negotiator with your updated bids.
EDIT: Spurs cut Humphries. Spurs/Clips S&T processed
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:34 pm
by IamQuailman
Have about 8 teams left to input. If no one else on the inputting team is able to input, Round 2 Sim will be around 10:30pm tonight. If they can, it may be sooner!
Re: 2007 FREE AGENCY, ROUND 1 (Due 5pm 4/11)
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:06 pm
by The Negotiator
07/29/07 Bucks Re-sign C Michael Bradley for $741,095 over one year.
07/28/07 Raptors Sign SG Carlos Arroyo for $982,382 over one year.
07/28/07 Raptors Sign PG Damon Stoudamire for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/27/07 Trailblazers Sign PG Luke Ridnour for $810,034 over one year.
07/27/07 Warriors Sign C D.J. Mbenga for $1,585,599 over 2 years.
07/27/07 Nuggets Sign C Alonzo Mourning for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/27/07 Nuggets Sign SG Charles Smith for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/27/07 Kings Sign PF Antoine Walker for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/27/07 Suns Sign C Shawn Kemp for $6,000,000 over one year.
07/27/07 Nets Sign SF Tyrone Nesby for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/26/07 Supersonics Sign C Danny Fortson for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/26/07 Warriors Re-sign PF Jason Maxiell for $2,154,347 over 3 years.
07/26/07 Bucks Re-sign SF Royal Ivey for $1,682,190 over 2 years.
07/26/07 Kings Sign PG Kenny Satterfield for $775,565 over one year.
07/26/07 Trailblazers Sign PG T.J. Ford for $810,034 over one year.
07/26/07 Nets Sign SF Wally Szczerbiak for $1,148,985 over one year.
07/26/07 Hornets Re-sign PF Malik Rose for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/26/07 Nuggets Sign C Shawn Bradley for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/26/07 Nuggets Sign C Michael Doleac for $1,148,985 over one year.
07/26/07 Warriors Sign PG Khalid El-Amin for $2,211,796 over 2 years.
07/26/07 Mavericks Sign SG Roger Mason for $890,463 over one year.
07/26/07 Jazz Sign C Radoslav Nesterovic for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/26/07 Warriors Sign SF Brandon Bass for $5,604,000 over 4 years.
07/26/07 Nets Sign PF Stromile Swift for $1,062,811 over one year.
07/26/07 Suns Re-sign PG Mike James for $3,000,000 over one year.
07/26/07 Hawks Sign PF Lamar Odom for $12,600,000 over 2 years.
07/26/07 Clippers Sign SG Jalen Rose for $11,050,000 over one year.
07/25/07 Trailblazers Re-sign PG Raul Lopez for $741,095 over one year.
07/25/07 Bucks Sign SG Daniel Gibson for $1,074,301 over 2 years.
07/25/07 Nuggets Re-sign SG Randy Livingston for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/25/07 Nuggets Re-sign SF Pat Garrity for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/25/07 Bucks Re-sign SG Eddie Gill for $775,565 over one year.
07/25/07 Kings Sign C Vitaly Potapenko for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/25/07 Knicks Sign PF Austin Croshere for $1,321,333 over one year.
07/25/07 Bulls Re-sign PG Steve Blake for $4,140,000 over 2 years.
07/25/07 Pacers Re-sign SG Luther Head for $6,000,000 over 4 years.
07/25/07 Lakers Sign PG Gary Payton for $1,367,292 over one year.
07/25/07 Bucks Re-sign PF Kenny Thomas for $5,250,000 over 2 years.
07/25/07 Hornets Re-sign PG Anthony Johnson for $6,500,000 over one year.
07/25/07 Hornets Sign C Chris Webber for $12,000,000 over one year.
07/25/07 Grizzlies Sign C Calvin Booth for $36,193,028 over 2 years.