Revisiting Point Bank Transfers

[garbageman]

The current rule is that when you leave a team, you leave your points with that team unless you owe points...then that team's bank is zeroed out and the debt stays with you in case you ever want to come back.

With some GMs coming back from retirement, there have been questions on how many points they get to start out with. Out of curiosity, boredom, and the very real possibility that an inactive GM might leave an inaccurately accounted 500 point bank to a newbie, I started researching whether it would make sense to change how the point bank laws work, and I think we can.

First of all, in trying to gauge how many points each team had coming into this season, I noticed that plenty of banks are either 1) Not up to date, 2) Probably up to date, but the accounting is so fuzzy that I can't tell what's happening. Still, there are teams like this that are making trades involving points. Thus, this trade rule has been implemented: viewtopic.php?f=24&p=78741#p78741. That's not up for suggestion boxing. Trades have been the only place where someone can spend points without leaving an accounting trail that they've paid those points.

In any case, debts, of course, will still follow GMs around. You can't run up a crazy tax bill, jet, and come back scot free.

However, to keep a positive point bank after you retire in case you ever want to come back is trickier. If you leave a team with a positive point bank, but in a position where contracts you have given them put that team in the repeater tax for years, I don't like how that disadvantages a new GM either...especially if they have to start at 0.

So, why was I looking at all team's point banks?

I wanted to get an idea of what the average team has in their point bank at the beginning of the season. And while some teams made me have to guess, I came up with a median of 70 points (average was a little higher thanks to outliers).

If we change how point banks are transferred so that GMs keep their totals when they retire, I think we could simply implement these two points:

1) Repeater status also follows GMs and is reset for the new GM.
2) Welcome bonus points for new GMs (maybe not 70, but 25-50 seems reasonable to me...35 maybe as a compromise?)

[garbageman]

This would open up, also, discussion on stewarded teams accruing points, but I think it would be mostly unnecessary. Of course, if anyone sees a reason why stewarded teams would need to collect points, feel free to add it. I think that "for use in trading" would make sense, but I'm also pretty hands-off in regards to stewarded teams making moves, and I think some of the measures outlined above make it even less imperative for stewarded teams to need to make moves.

[garbageman]

bump

[ballsohard]

I'm aware i'm on the more punitive side of this equation, but after the discussion in terms of Louie and overall this is something i came up with. Totally open to finer points or not taking it at all- just trying to help !


1. Points and Luxury Tax Restrictions follow GM not team

2. Teams without GMs can not accumulate positive or negative point balances
A. Because there is no GM to attribute points to, the Luxury tax does not apply
B. Because there is no GM points cannot be accumulated or sent via trades (this one some slimy individuals may not like)
Note: This should make running a team as a steward far less encumbering. It also takes away the "fire sale" leverage other teams use to get the higher salary players for little to nothing from a GM -less team. The job essentially is to sell talent for younger talent so a new GM has something to work with instead of a gigantic mess to clean up and crushing debt.

3. Net new GMs
A. New GMs will not be subject to any legacy repeater years/restrictions the team has accumulated outside of their management
B. Receive 35 point "stimulus" balance (or whatever's determined)
C. Will be responsible for all new debts under management of this GM
i. For example: If they take over a team 80 Million over the cap and finish the season at that mark, that is now their responsibility

4. Returning GMs
A. Repeater status and years follow the GM as well
i. For example, if a GM quits with a 4 year repeater and comes back top a team over the tax, they will accumulate based off of the 4+ year repeater
B. a. Repeater status and years follow the GM as well
i. For example, if a GM quits with a 4 year repeater and comes back

5. Bankrupt policy
A. Allow a GM to file for bankruptcy which will reset their point bank to 0 with 5 seasons of restrictions
i. GM will not be able to use points for the following for 5 seasons:
a. Trades
b. Trainings
c. 50% (negotiable) earning restrictions on media/season points
This is so someone can't come back after 5 seasons of accumulating 5 seasons of debt to a gigantic nest egg.

[garbageman]

I'm aware i'm on the more punitive side of this equation, but after the discussion in terms of Louie and overall this is something i came up with. Totally open to finer points or not taking it at all- just trying to help !


1. Points and Luxury Tax Restrictions follow GM not team

2. Teams without GMs can not accumulate positive or negative point balances
A. Because there is no GM to attribute points to, the Luxury tax does not apply
B. Because there is no GM points cannot be accumulated or sent via trades (this one some slimy individuals may not like)
Note: This should make running a team as a steward far less encumbering. It also takes away the "fire sale" leverage other teams use to get the higher salary players for little to nothing from a GM -less team. The job essentially is to sell talent for younger talent so a new GM has something to work with instead of a gigantic mess to clean up and crushing debt.

3. Net new GMs
A. New GMs will not be subject to any legacy repeater years/restrictions the team has accumulated outside of their management
B. Receive 35 point "stimulus" balance (or whatever's determined)
C. Will be responsible for all new debts under management of this GM
i. For example: If they take over a team 80 Million over the cap and finish the season at that mark, that is now their responsibility

4. Returning GMs
A. Repeater status and years follow the GM as well
i. For example, if a GM quits with a 4 year repeater and comes back top a team over the tax, they will accumulate based off of the 4+ year repeater
B. a. Repeater status and years follow the GM as well
i. For example, if a GM quits with a 4 year repeater and comes back

5. Bankrupt policy
A. Allow a GM to file for bankruptcy which will reset their point bank to 0 with 5 seasons of restrictions
i. GM will not be able to use points for the following for 5 seasons:
a. Trades
b. Trainings
c. 50% (negotiable) earning restrictions on media/season points
This is so someone can't come back after 5 seasons of accumulating 5 seasons of debt to a gigantic nest egg.

Thanks Scott. Appreciate your thoughts on this, especially as a guy who came back to inherit a different team's bank.

I think 1-4 are pretty much in line with my proposed idea.

For 5, the thought that immediately hits me is more of a repayment plan. The 50% earning restrictions is something I'm wary of because it disincentivizes participation. I'm sure we can collectively put some thought into this and flesh it out. I also think that points 1-4 stand alone and we can declare bankruptcy a separate issue if everyone likes 1-4, but 5 still requires some debate.