Want to fix the tax problem?

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NOLa.
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Re: Want to fix the tax problem?

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I'm feeling I am open to a debt relief system in place as I agree with Wig's premise that the tax is there to prevent a dynasty lasting too long, but I still haven't seen a point that has made me reconsider my stance on the option to completely relieve the tax bill.

The idea of setting a hard cap on a team and retaining the rights to RFAs takes away the biggest bite of the current tax delinquency rule. With this in place a team is still able to field a competitive team to win games or rebuild as they please without the worry of losing a player in RFA. The ability to pay off the bill by removing these penalties would exponentially decrease the time it takes to pay off a bill while still playing the game.

The only thing they would not be able to do is play Sim Vegas where points are used for entry, going over the hardcap, and trading away points. Can anyone convince me and others that these restrictions are still too harsh?
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Re: Want to fix the tax problem?

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I frankly don't agree that the tax's only use is to "prevent super teams". I think it's more complicated than that which is why i cant get behind that proposal With that being said, im going to vote 'yes' to A relief system.I think it's there for the following
1. Adding skill (or the guise of as Josh said) to the management of a team
- You actually have to plan out the future of your team. And if you want to win for a long time see below
2. Choice making
-If you got a team loaded with players, you can't accept every RFA max or near Max you have to make choices
-If your guy is falling off of contract and you open up 60 Million, maybe you shouldnt trade for 2 maxes andf then resign the 2 FAs you have with maxes just because you have bird rights
3. Point management
-Points are a lot of fun to use to train players but we have to manage the training, the trading and the lux tax
4. It adds a psedo owner in the game
- We don't have owners therefore we dont have someone saying- no you can't spend 100 m over the tax after sucking for 4 years. It adds a finacial element to the game where we don't have acocuntablitiy for out spending.
5. Reall 4b. Accountability with spending
-We have fake money that doesnt matter when it comes to salaries, btu Points are really our currency.
6. Prevent superteams
-This really to me is the last piece of it, but i don't want to deny it's significance and it think it plays into the more important points about choice, accountability, etc and it of course stop people from dominating for too long.
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Re: Want to fix the tax problem?

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IamQuailman wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:30 am Can i add just another idea that can piggyback off Raby's idea or Scott's idea? Raby spoke to this on the podcast last night that I half-baked wrote to him while i was at the Pels game half-watching the game and half-watching to make sure my son wasn't falling over into the next row of seats.

So Raby and Scott both talked about someone racks up an enormous tax bill.. they get under the cap for 3 seasons or so and, with meeting whatever the "active GM" criteria maybe be, the tax-debtor GM will get some tax-based restrictions lifted. The difference I noticed in Raby's proposal and Scott's was that Raby's would wipe out the outstanding bill after X seasons of good standing. Scott's would require that you pay the tax balance out in full.

What I'm getting to is --> let's meet in the middle? After a team with a tax bill has been under the cap for 3 consecutive seasons and has been working towards paying off the bill (all points earned in those 3 seasons go towards the bill), the team would then be eligible to SLOE-ptima Tax Relief. Basically, the remaining tax balance after that 3 year time span would be halved.

Example Scenario:
- GM racks up tax bill of like 300
- GM gets under tax apron next season
- GM remains under tax apron for next 3 seasons
- GM earns 150 pts over those 3 seasons; tax balance after points is 150
- Entering the 4th season, GM would have his 150pt tax balance halved to 75pts (something that could very easily be paid off in one season with trades, articles, etc)
- Additionally in that 4th season, GM would have some restrictions lifted off of them to participate in RFA, etc.

This would give SOME relief to a GM that has done their time (at least 6 months of real life), but require them to still pay off a balance after "good behavior"
If we're trying to meet in the middle, I would actually adjust it as follows:

- GM racks up a bill of like 300
- GM gets under tax apron next season
- GM remains under tax apron those next 3 seasons
- GM earns 150 pts over those 3; seasons, tax balance after points is 150

- In the 4th season, the GM's restrictions are lifted and he is in a "State of Grace", though his points balance is NOT reduced. Instead, half of his points earned must go to paying the tax until it is paid in full, but he is able to bank and use the other half. So, for example, if the GM accumulated 50 points the next season, he would have to pay 25 points for tax (reducing his balance to 125) but could use the other 25 as he saw fit (training, trades, etc.)
- If a GM who is in this "state of grace" where half of his points are going to the tax and half to his bank goes over the tax again before his original bill is paid off, any remaining points in his bank are immediately applied to his tax and full restrictions return. He is ineligible to apply for grace again until his bill is paid in full.
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