Media Points

[Bowtothebill23]

Here in sim league, we have a lot of active GMs who have written a lot of great articles. It looks like we get about 15ish articles per season. That seems kind of low for having 28 pretty active GMs right now. What I'm proposing would try and help 1) get more articles, even if they're short and take little research and 2) get more long, excellent articles.

We have pretty strict criteria for what articles get what amount of points. A league-centric article gets 5 points. A team-centric article gets 2 or 3. Unless an article is wildly incomplete, it will receive the full allotment of points. If an article is 10,000 words, it also gets 5 points.

My proposal would be to eliminate the 5 point max, and to allow for 1 or 2 point articles.

First let's take the 1 or 2 point articles. If you're like me, you LOVE to read articles, no matter what they're about, and even if they take minimal time and effort. I like sim league a lot, and I like reading about stuff in sim league. So if someone wants to take 20 minutes and recap a sim, listing the best games, best performers, key injuries, etc., I think we should encourage that, not punish it. If someone wants to write a 2 or 3 paragraph recap on a big trade that went down, no that's not worth 5 points, but I think that could be worth a point or 2. And it gives everyone more content to read. The 10 point limit would still apply here.

My second proposal is eliminating the 5 point max. Now, this would take some maturity from the league (funny, the 20 year old talking about maturity, huh?). Both these proposals would. What this would be is for those articles that took hours and hours to research and write. I'm talking about my draft board article, people who do power rankings and update them simly or even weekly, KuCoach's How To Train A Player, Xist's Y2K article, stuff like that. Right now, there's no added benefit for articles like those except for personal research and general enjoyment. But those articles are the ones I love the most. I think we should be encouraging people to write more long, beautiful articles like these. These articles take so much more work, but are also much better IMO than your average 5 point article. What would be the harm in letting these articles be worth 10 points? And for articles like some of KuCoach's other articles or someone who does power rankings and updates them once or twice, that's still worth more than 5 points IMO. I would have no problem with those being worth 7-8 points. I would love to have more bigger and better articles in this league.

This would be where the maturity would come in because obviously, this will never happen if people are going to constantly complain that an article should or shouldn't be worth a certain amount of points. I think if we can all be somewhat reasonable, we can better encourage more articles and better articles too. Hopefully this proposal could encourage more activity and better posts.

[ballsohard]

Frye off


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[ballsohard]

I'm kidding


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[TheSyndicate]

Totally agree, tried to make this happen like 5 seasons ago.

[IamQuailman]

Someone gets 6 someone gets 8. What do you do to clearly define the difference?

[Inner_GI]

Someone gets 6 someone gets 8. What do you do to clearly define the difference?

favoritism. Duh

[Darth Vegito]

Define then figure it out. Let's have a panel that will give the points. But this needs to happen. Would do nothing but improve the league. Many times I hit my max and want to do an article but don't.

Make some guidelines then pick an active panel to distribute points in an unbiased fashion. Shouldn't be hard. Great suggestion Ben

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[NOLa.]

I remember once I wrote an article and was awarded 5 points, but then it was retracted to 3.

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[Inner_GI]

I volunteer myself as someone who doesn't do media to be on this unbiased panel.

[JNR]

So when you say remove the max, are you also removing the max on total points? Because I have wanted to do articles near the end of the season but had already reached my point limit (which is 2 articles since I am HOF coordinator) so it didn't make sense. I'd like to completely remove that cap.

[Darth Vegito]

So when you say remove the max, are you also removing the max on total points? Because I have wanted to do articles near the end of the season but had already reached my point limit (which is 2 articles since I am HOF coordinator) so it didn't make sense. I'd like to completely remove that cap.

Yes this is exactly what he's suggesting and I love it. Like I said, the league only benefits from ppl wanting to do articles constantly. And with having a panel you couldn't get a ton of points for a 3 minute article. There's some work to do on this but overall I love the idea.

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[Bowtothebill23]

So when you say remove the max, are you also removing the max on total points? Because I have wanted to do articles near the end of the season but had already reached my point limit (which is 2 articles since I am HOF coordinator) so it didn't make sense. I'd like to completely remove that cap.

I understand why it's there to keep people from abusing it and racking up 30-40 points, but honestly, I'm all for removing it. I think we should be encouraging as many and as good articles as possible.

[ballsohard]

I love the idea of removing the cap on how much you can get per article. I don't like removing the cap. Quality is better than quantity. Also lets not create a loophole to help people recover from piss poor cap management.

[Darth Vegito]

I love the idea of removing the cap on how much you can get per article. I don't like removing the cap. Quality is better than quantity. Also lets not create a loophole to help people recover from piss poor cap management.

Ok devil's advocate. If we have a panel to judge these articles...meaning you put out a shit article you get a shitty point. That's not going to save you from the tax man. If you put out 5 articles that take time and effort and research which is improving the quality of the league...why the hell not? I feel like sometimes we kill the league quality and greatness and competitiveness by instituting rules that really don't hurt. So let's say the average of a person's bank goes up a bit. They get to train a few extra guys? That's not a bad thing.

Now if you want to say well it's not fair to the guys that don't improve the league quality and give us articles and whatnot...well that's their prerogative and well who cares if it's an advantage. This league works so well because of the gms who put time into it. It would be NOTHING without these guys who do the articles, the guys who volunteer for duties, the guys who input and so on. I say reward them until the cows come home.

Just my take. I value the gms who take time out of their busy lives to put effort into making this league great and it is. This is a game and it's done for free and for fun. But it's a Fryeing great one. I've never seen a better SIM league. If this gives us more articles, shit I'm all for it. I remember that article KUcoach did. It deserved Moore than 5 points. But if he gets close to max points from that that means we get no more articles from him for the whole year. I don't like that. His articles are great. So rather than just knock it down all together I think they'd gotta be SOME type of compromise here to get at the end goal here which is not limiting the points or rewards for ppl who want to improve the league quality.

Good discussion though here. I think we can come to something huh Scott.

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[ballsohard]

I love the idea of removing the cap on how much you can get per article. I don't like removing the cap. Quality is better than quantity. Also lets not create a loophole to help people recover from piss poor cap management.

Ok devil's advocate. If we have a panel to judge these articles...meaning you put out a shit article you get a shitty point. That's not going to save you from the tax man. If you put out 5 articles that take time and effort and research which is improving the quality of the league...why the hell not? I feel like sometimes we kill the league quality and greatness and competitiveness by instituting rules that really don't hurt. So let's say the average of a person's bank goes up a bit. They get to train a few extra guys? That's not a bad thing.

Now if you want to say well it's not fair to the guys that don't improve the league quality and give us articles and whatnot...well that's their prerogative and well who cares if it's an advantage. This league works so well because of the gms who put time into it. It would be NOTHING without these guys who do the articles, the guys who volunteer for duties, the guys who input and so on. I say reward them until the cows come home.

Just my take. I value the gms who take time out of their busy lives to put effort into making this league great and it is. This is a game and it's done for free and for fun. But it's a Fryeing great one. I've never seen a better SIM league. If this gives us more articles, shit I'm all for it. I remember that article KUcoach did. It deserved Moore than 5 points. But if he gets close to max points from that that means we get no more articles from him for the whole year. I don't like that. His articles are great. So rather than just knock it down all together I think they'd gotta be SOME type of compromise here to get at the end goal here which is not limiting the points or rewards for ppl who want to improve the league quality.

Good discussion though here. I think we can come to something huh Scott.

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[ballsohard]

Ps. I agree his articles deserve more than one point, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be able to get 100 points a season. Maybe we should let points roll over?


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[WigNosy]

For a few moments I had concerns about a panel; I thought "what if the panel is biased and awards points unfairly?" Then I thought of every time we have had people step up to a responsibility and realized for 18 seasons now everyone who has had a responsibility has tried to discharge it in good faith.

I think we need to hammer the details of this proposal a little more but I think it is a good one.

[Inner_GI]

I would say you maybe remove the cap you can get in a season (or increase it). I don't know if article should go up to a 10 points scale. Just too many variables to in good faith rate everything without eventually pissing someone off.

remove the cap on points in a season. Pass stricter guidelines on what 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 point articles are.

[Darth Vegito]

I love the idea of removing the cap on how much you can get per article. I don't like removing the cap. Quality is better than quantity. Also lets not create a loophole to help people recover from piss poor cap management.

Ok devil's advocate. If we have a panel to judge these articles...meaning you put out a shit article you get a shitty point. That's not going to save you from the tax man. If you put out 5 articles that take time and effort and research which is improving the quality of the league...why the hell not? I feel like sometimes we kill the league quality and greatness and competitiveness by instituting rules that really don't hurt. So let's say the average of a person's bank goes up a bit. They get to train a few extra guys? That's not a bad thing.

Now if you want to say well it's not fair to the guys that don't improve the league quality and give us articles and whatnot...well that's their prerogative and well who cares if it's an advantage. This league works so well because of the gms who put time into it. It would be NOTHING without these guys who do the articles, the guys who volunteer for duties, the guys who input and so on. I say reward them until the cows come home.

Just my take. I value the gms who take time out of their busy lives to put effort into making this league great and it is. This is a game and it's done for free and for fun. But it's a Fryeing great one. I've never seen a better SIM league. If this gives us more articles, shit I'm all for it. I remember that article KUcoach did. It deserved Moore than 5 points. But if he gets close to max points from that that means we get no more articles from him for the whole year. I don't like that. His articles are great. So rather than just knock it down all together I think they'd gotta be SOME type of compromise here to get at the end goal here which is not limiting the points or rewards for ppl who want to improve the league quality.

Good discussion though here. I think we can come to something huh Scott.

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keep doing you dawg.

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[Darth Vegito]

I would say you maybe remove the cap you can get in a season (or increase it). I don't know if article should go up to a 10 points scale. Just too many variables to in good faith rate everything without eventually pissing someone off.

remove the cap on points in a season. Pass stricter guidelines on what 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 point articles are.

Yup this isn't a bad idea either. Still gets the job done.

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[ballsohard]

I don't really love the stricter guidelines though. guidelines are why you get 3 points on an article 10 times better written than 5 pointers half written but you only wrote about your team.

[ballsohard]

I should take that back. Bad guidelines are why

[Darth Vegito]

I should take that back. Bad guidelines are why

So good guidelines. Yay! Post it up!

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[Bowtothebill23]

I would say you maybe remove the cap you can get in a season (or increase it). I don't know if article should go up to a 10 points scale. Just too many variables to in good faith rate everything without eventually pissing someone off.

remove the cap on points in a season. Pass stricter guidelines on what 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 point articles are.

I'm not huge on this. I'm not sure if people write their articles more to get 5 points or more to get the max of 10. If they're writing for the max, then yes this would encourage more articles for some of the more hardcore writers in the league. But if they wanna write just to get 5 points, I think this discourages them from writing articles. This past season, we had 14 articles written by 10 people. That means 6 people wrote 1 article. If we only have 3-4 people shooting for max points each season, yeah this encourages more articles from those 3-4, but it also discourages the other 25 people. If we're having trouble getting people to write articles now for 5 points, I'm not sure making that same article worth 3 points would get more activity.

[Bowtothebill23]

What if we did no max until you reach the cap. Then, once you each the cap, we instituted the strict 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 scale? That way we encourage more articles for the league as a whole, encourage people to write as many articles as possible, but make it hard for people to rack up an absurd amount of pointsZ