Reggie Miller

JNR · Post by **JNR** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:12 am

Reggie's nomination: viewtopic.php?p=9985#p9985

Reggie's final PBSL player page: http://pbsl.ijbl.net/2000/players/player270.htm

Vote yes if you think Reggie Miller should be in the Hall of Fame. Vote no if you do not think he should be in. 75% is induction, 50% is automatic nomination next year.

I'll keep this poll open until the end of the playoffs.

JNR · Post by **JNR** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:55 pm

Reggie only received 68% of votes, so he will not be inducted. He will automatically be up for consideration next season, however.

And something to chew on until we open up nominations next all-star weekend...

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Xist2Inspire · Post by **Xist2Inspire** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:58 pm

I think Karl Malone retired too (unsigned).

JNR · Post by **JNR** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:00 pm

You are correct. Karl is also eligible.

Looks like we're going to have a clear HOF class next season.

Post by **IamQuailman** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:41 pm

JNR wrote:Reggie only received 68% of votes, so he will not be inducted. He will automatically be up for consideration next season, however.

And something to chew on until we open up nominations next all-star weekend...

6/17/2002 Magic PG Randy Brown retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks PG John Stockton retires
6/17/2002 Grizzlies PG Pooh Richardson retires
6/17/2002 Bulls PF Glen Rice retires
6/17/2002 Rockets SF Hersey Hawkins retires
6/17/2002 76ers C Patrick Ewing retires
6/17/2002 Rockets PG Sherman Douglas retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks C Benoit Benjamin retires

That sucks

Darth Vegito · Post by **Darth Vegito** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:38 pm

JNR wrote:Reggie only received 68% of votes, so he will not be inducted. He will automatically be up for consideration next season, however.

And something to chew on until we open up nominations next all-star weekend...

6/17/2002 Magic PG Randy Brown retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks PG John Stockton retires
6/17/2002 Grizzlies PG Pooh Richardson retires
6/17/2002 Bulls PF Glen Rice retires
6/17/2002 Rockets SF Hersey Hawkins retires
6/17/2002 76ers C Patrick Ewing retires
6/17/2002 Rockets PG Sherman Douglas retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks C Benoit Benjamin retires

This makes me happy. And not just because I voted no. Only because I want the HOF bar to be set high. Miller without a doubt has a case. But I'm glad it appears many just didn't think he should get in at all or just yet. I won't be upset of he gets in next year or the next after that. I'm happy though that it will be tough for him. That means our HOF will be legit.

TrayWithAnA · Post by **TrayWithAnA** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:35 pm

DarthVegito wrote:
JNR wrote:Reggie only received 68% of votes, so he will not be inducted. He will automatically be up for consideration next season, however.

And something to chew on until we open up nominations next all-star weekend...

6/17/2002 Magic PG Randy Brown retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks PG John Stockton retires
6/17/2002 Grizzlies PG Pooh Richardson retires
6/17/2002 Bulls PF Glen Rice retires
6/17/2002 Rockets SF Hersey Hawkins retires
6/17/2002 76ers C Patrick Ewing retires
6/17/2002 Rockets PG Sherman Douglas retires
6/17/2002 Mavericks C Benoit Benjamin retires
This makes me happy. And not just because I voted no. Only because I want the HOF bar to be set high. Miller without a doubt has a case. But I'm glad it appears many just didn't think he should get in at all or just yet. I won't be upset of he gets in next year or the next after that. I'm happy though that it will be tough for him. That means our HOF will be legit.

2 out of 10

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Post by **IamQuailman** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:53 am

I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:59 am

Erick Barkley is gonna be in hur

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Conroy · Post by **Conroy** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:01 am

IamQuailman wrote:I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol

Out of those 3 Kemp and Penny should have astericks for being OP, leaving Zo as the only legitimate player in the Hall of Fame. I could get behind this.

Xist2Inspire · Post by **Xist2Inspire** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:32 am

IamQuailman wrote:I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol

I dunno, for me, that's good enough to get in on your second or third year of eligibility, but first-ballot? No. First-ballot inductees should be the cream of the crop, the absolute best. For example, despite both being OP beasts, Malone is a bit closer to being a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer than Robinson is in my book, because at least Malone was able to drag his team to a Finals appearance. Robinson couldn't do that once, and he (and Miller) combined blew their best chance to get there and got swept.

I'm also not a fan of the "we gotta put in some guys every year" mentality that real Hall of Fames have, because sooner or later you start putting people in just to fill spots. I get what Darth is saying, Hall of Fames should be hard to get into, it's the one time where we should judge harshly and nitpick.

JNR · Post by **JNR** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:50 am

Xist2Inspire wrote:
IamQuailman wrote:I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol
I dunno, for me, that's good enough to get in on your second or third year of eligibility, but first-ballot? No. First-ballot inductees should be the cream of the crop, the absolute best. For example, despite both being OP beasts, Malone is a bit closer to being a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer than Robinson is in my book, because at least Malone was able to drag his team to a Finals appearance. Robinson couldn't do that once, and he (and Miller) combined blew their best chance to get there and got swept.

I'm also not a fan of the "we gotta put in some guys every year" mentality that real Hall of Fames have, because sooner or later you start putting people in just to fill spots. I get what Darth is saying, Hall of Fames should be hard to get into, it's the one time where we should judge harshly and nitpick.

I am 100% behind this. The reason a player gets an auto-nomination next season if he makes 50% is to account for this. I think we all agree that only the best players of the league should get in on the first try. And I also like that many people have different opinions about the process. Makes it a lot more fun.

Soundwave · Post by **Soundwave** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:14 pm

JNR wrote:
Xist2Inspire wrote:
IamQuailman wrote:I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol
I dunno, for me, that's good enough to get in on your second or third year of eligibility, but first-ballot? No. First-ballot inductees should be the cream of the crop, the absolute best. For example, despite both being OP beasts, Malone is a bit closer to being a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer than Robinson is in my book, because at least Malone was able to drag his team to a Finals appearance. Robinson couldn't do that once, and he (and Miller) combined blew their best chance to get there and got swept.

I'm also not a fan of the "we gotta put in some guys every year" mentality that real Hall of Fames have, because sooner or later you start putting people in just to fill spots. I get what Darth is saying, Hall of Fames should be hard to get into, it's the one time where we should judge harshly and nitpick.
I am 100% behind this. The reason a player gets an auto-nomination next season if he makes 50% is to account for this. I think we all agree that only the best players of the league should get in on the first try. And I also like that many people have different opinions about the process. Makes it a lot more fun.

me too

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:29 pm

Xist2Inspire wrote:
IamQuailman wrote:I mean, I look at reggie and I see an elite shooter for his entire career. did he ever win one? no, but I feel like he was good enough to deserve a spot in the HOF. He was a Top 4 guard in this league for 3 seasons and Top 2 guard for 2 seasons (using All-League designations as a determinant). I mean if we are only going to determine HOF candicacy by winning championships let me just offer up Kemp, Penny, Zo and let's just close up shop. lol
I dunno, for me, that's good enough to get in on your second or third year of eligibility, but first-ballot? No. First-ballot inductees should be the cream of the crop, the absolute best. For example, despite both being OP beasts, Malone is a bit closer to being a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer than Robinson is in my book, because at least Malone was able to drag his team to a Finals appearance. Robinson couldn't do that once, and he (and Miller) combined blew their best chance to get there and got swept.

I'm also not a fan of the "we gotta put in some guys every year" mentality that real Hall of Fames have, because sooner or later you start putting people in just to fill spots. I get what Darth is saying, Hall of Fames should be hard to get into, it's the one time where we should judge harshly and nitpick.

Breh, the team made Malone. Not the other way around.

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JNR · Post by **JNR** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:42 pm

I'd like to announce here in this thread that I'm quitting sim league because the moderators abuse their power.

Post by **IamQuailman** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:43 pm

JNR wrote:I'd like to announce here in this thread that I'm quitting sim league because the moderators abuse their power.

What a bitch

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JNR · Post by **JNR** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:44 pm

You disrespectful schmuck

JNR · Post by **JNR** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:50 pm

JNR wrote:I'd like to announce here in this thread that I'm quitting sim league because the moderators abuse their power.

Nevermind.

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:51 pm

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