Removal of Color Ratings

Post by **ballsohard** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:22 am

I propose to change all the color rating in game to the same color. This will force people to look at stats instead of a color. I think this could have a very beneficial outcome to the FA market, as well as the trade and draft market.

Bowtothebill23 · Post by **Bowtothebill23** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:34 pm

I think this is a good proposal, and I'm for it. I don't know if there's a way around this, but my one qualm is that during FA, being able to sort by color is extremely beneficial as it filters out all the crappy orange players that no one signs who make up a majority of the FA market. I don't know if there's another way to sort it without color ratings.

Even if there is no solution to this, I'm still on board with this proposal. You can always filter by specific stats or just take a bit and scan through the players.

LoCo89 · Post by **LoCo89** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:23 pm

I'm a guy that takes the FA list every year, removes the colors, pick the guys I like based on attributes, add in their stats to the spreadsheet and then looks at color. While I like playing the game that way, I just don't think we should subject everyone to it.

Colors provide a quick and dirty way to handle things when you can't look at the whole picture piece by piece. We've all been in a spot where we're on our phones and get that trade notification on deadline day or have forgotten to put in bids and it's 20 minutes till FA starts.

Sure, it makes it harder to convince people whom you're trading with that your player A who's Y/Y is just as or more valuable than player B but it seems a bit of a reach to take away colors to do that.

So for the same reason Bens on board with it, i'd vote no at this point

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:25 pm

I don't really use the color system as I look at stats. I also don't use it for UFA because I usually have my own rating system.

I'm all for this.

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Post by **IamQuailman** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:32 pm

I'm in the same boat as ben in that i use the colors to filter out the reds and oranges. Interesting idea.

garbageman · Post by **garbageman** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:04 pm

I think it's somewhat useful for potential gauging, too, especially for folks who don't have TV set up. The question is, does the color rating provide any disadvantages for folks who go deeper than the color ratings to define potentials? If the disadvantages affect people who rely more heavily on the cheap and easy solution of just looking at the color ratings, I think they should stay to reward folks who do take the extra steps to dive deeper into the stats for their decision-making.

Post by **WigNosy** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:13 pm

I should note it is possible to leave Orange and Red colors as is and only change Green, Blue, Purple to all be Yellow.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:34 pm

WigNosy wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:13 pm
I should note it is possible to leave Orange and Red colors as is and only change Green, Blue, Purple to all be Yellow.

Oooooh.

Post by **ballsohard** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:18 pm

We could also just change all red and orange to 1 color as well..

78# · Post by **78#** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:02 pm

I like the colors as a way of organizing the free agent list and draft list because it saves time sorting so I'd rather keep the colors. I don't see the harm.

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:36 pm

It's not so much harm as much as it will make teams evaluate players more on actual stats than colors.

Blues are pretty much automatic max players, even though some aren't that good. Either way it doesn't hurt me one way or the other, because I usually feel comfortable handing out non-max contacts to guys who I feel will earn it.

The most common issue against this idea is about sorting free agents from index. Is if possible to just delete the red and orange potential players to clean up the page?

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Post by **WigNosy** » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:55 pm

NOLa. wrote:It's not so much harm as much as it will make teams evaluate players more on actual stats than colors.

Blues are pretty much automatic max players, even though some aren't that good. Either way it doesn't hurt me one way or the other, because I usually feel comfortable handing out non-max contacts to guys who I feel will earn it.

The most common issue against this idea is about sorting free agents from index. Is if possible to just delete the red and orange potential players to clean up the page?

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It is not easy to delete all the orange and red players. And my experience is that FBB will generate new ones every season to fill out the free agent pool even if you do (as in, if you delete, say, 300 players from the pool, FBB will just create 300 more the next offseason).

Bowtothebill23 · Post by **Bowtothebill23** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:27 am

If we can change orange and red to one color and everyone else to another, I think that's the best option. That way sorting is easier and it still forces everyone to look at numbers/stats.

The reason I like the proposal (and the reason I think others approve of it as well) is that, for the league as a whole, the valuation of players is so largely dependent on color. For example, if you put identical players in the league but one is B and one is G, the B guy is intrinsically significantly more valuable.

I liken it to looking solely at Record when judging a team. Sure, you'd expect a 7-3 team to be better than a 5-5 team. But if the 7-3 team played 8 home games against cellar dwellers and has a margin of +1 while the 5-5 team played 6 road games against playoff teams and ended with a margin of +2.5, you can probably assume that the 5-5 teams is better and should be favored in a head to head.

So we have a portion of the league valuing guys using ratings and stats and a portion using colors as the primary rating system. It's not "hurting" anyone necessarily (besides perhaps making trade talks frustrating for some), but it can be a really good step forward to make this change. This way everyone is on the same (and, frankly, better) rating system which helps make the league better and more advanced.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:03 pm

Bowtothebill23 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:27 am
If we can change orange and red to one color and everyone else to another, I think that's the best option. That way sorting is easier and it still forces everyone to look at numbers/stats.

The reason I like the proposal (and the reason I think others approve of it as well) is that, for the league as a whole, the valuation of players is so largely dependent on color. For example, if you put identical players in the league but one is B and one is G, the B guy is intrinsically significantly more valuable.

I liken it to looking solely at Record when judging a team. Sure, you'd expect a 7-3 team to be better than a 5-5 team. But if the 7-3 team played 8 home games against cellar dwellers and has a margin of +1 while the 5-5 team played 6 road games against playoff teams and ended with a margin of +2.5, you can probably assume that the 5-5 teams is better and should be favored in a head to head.

So we have a portion of the league valuing guys using ratings and stats and a portion using colors as the primary rating system. It's not "hurting" anyone necessarily (besides perhaps making trade talks frustrating for some), but it can be a really good step forward to make this change. This way everyone is on the same (and, frankly, better) rating system which helps make the league better and more advanced.

I agree - I think this helps the trade market big time, which is one of the most fun parts of the game, IMO

garbageman · Post by **garbageman** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:05 pm

Why don't we change the color ratings to what color would currently be on a player's mood ring?

false9 · Post by **false9** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:50 pm

I'd have to say no. Seems like the true value is in the stats and the colors are essentially the "MSRP". Plus, the colors are handy for a quick look.

Post by **IamQuailman** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:02 pm

What about a compromise of reducing colors from 6 to 3?

Red and orange, yellow and green, blue and purple...

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Post by **ballsohard** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:07 pm

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:20 pm

Glol

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Post by **IamQuailman** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:15 pm

Srs.

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Xist2Inspire · Post by **Xist2Inspire** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:51 pm

I'm not so sure that removing colors would promote smarter spending, at least for those who judge solely by color. If you're the type to hand out a max just because he's B/B, then you'd probably be the type - for example - to give Brook Lopez a max or near-max in RFA because he still put up good stats despite dropping off ratings-wise. There have been other notable cases of Y/Y and G/G talent putting up big-money stats despite really being great role players. I can vouch for two, Wayman Tisdale and Joe Smith. Stats can lie too.

So while removing color would move the overrated players down to what they're actually worth, it could also be argued that it would elevate the underrated players to get more than they're worth as well. And even then, I can't see how it would prevent the Bryon Russells and Dwight Howards from getting paid or the Glen Davises from getting RFA poison pills. The factors that usually lead to those deals (potential, ratings, age, wanting to secure talent in RFA, etc) wouldn't suddenly disappear with the removal of colors, nor would GMs suddenly be more willing to let their talent go.

I'm just not convinced that the majority of the league actually assesses a player's worth primarily by color. It's not like we're all newbies at this anymore, we've just about all been around the block a few times.

Post by **ballsohard** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:15 pm

A few things about this :

1. I don't think smarter spending is the goal. I think it's production based spending that it can promote. We are still going to have cases where 23 yr olds with average stats gets maxed, but that's potential based spending imo.

2. I don't think it's an indication of the league basing everything off of color , but I do think it adds a valuation or variable in trades and fa that's just not needed .. I think this could effect the trade market as much as the fa market.

All fair points but I also think that's why we'd want them too