My rejected proposals

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:13 pm

My rejected better solutions included:

Removing the overbid, running the rest if my UFA in a UFA 1.5, then move on, maybe dealing with Marshall in there.

Another was to appeal to the winning GM's where I really was by far the winning bidder who also have tons of room and did not get their other bids affected to let them move those players to me, quietly but openly.

These are both very reasonable. And they were rejected repeatedly without explanation.

So, I did that, and I did that well before posting any of this.

Post by **ballsohard** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:23 pm

You're more than welcome to try option #2. You have until noon (CST) tomorrow sir.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:34 pm

ballsohard wrote:You're more than welcome to try option #2. You have until noon (CST) tomorrow sir.

Well, I would if it was an option. It's not, so I ain't.

It would require me getting my deals for more money and longer terms. Yes, I bid the most for those players, like many, but not all, winning bids.

This, as stated, is not one of the options on the table since it require support not just of me and each of the other parties, but it requires support of the League management, and that has been at least implicitly denied repeatedly since it is not one of the 2 options.

As I said, I tried. I tried for a few hours, and I started early before the ripples got too large (so far, none really that I can tell, so at least there is that), and I was quite patient and reasonable until my reasonable follow-on proposals that did not require a re-sim were met with a wall.

I can be reasonable. I was. I was reasonable first. I was reasonable longer.

It got me nothing.

Post by **ballsohard** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:39 pm

42PhD wrote:
ballsohard wrote:You're more than welcome to try option #2. You have until noon (CST) tomorrow sir.
Well, I would if it was an option. It's not, so I ain't.

It would require me getting my deals for more money and longer terms. Yes, I bid the most for those players, like many, but not all, winning bids.

This, as stated, is not one of the options on the table since it require support not just of me and each of the other parties, but it requires support of the League management, and that has been at least implicitly denied repeatedly since it is not one of the 2 options.

As I said, I tried. I tried for a few hours, and I started early before the ripples got too large (so far, none really that I can tell, so at least there is that), and I was quite patient and reasonable until my reasonable follow-on proposals that did not require a re-sim were met with a wall.

I can be reasonable. I was. I was reasonable first. I was reasonable longer.

It got me nothing.

I just gave you go-ahead from league management to pursue option 2.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:41 pm

ballsohard wrote:
42PhD wrote:
ballsohard wrote:You're more than welcome to try option #2. You have until noon (CST) tomorrow sir.
Well, I would if it was an option. It's not, so I ain't.

It would require me getting my deals for more money and longer terms. Yes, I bid the most for those players, like many, but not all, winning bids.

This, as stated, is not one of the options on the table since it require support not just of me and each of the other parties, but it requires support of the League management, and that has been at least implicitly denied repeatedly since it is not one of the 2 options.

As I said, I tried. I tried for a few hours, and I started early before the ripples got too large (so far, none really that I can tell, so at least there is that), and I was quite patient and reasonable until my reasonable follow-on proposals that did not require a re-sim were met with a wall.

I can be reasonable. I was. I was reasonable first. I was reasonable longer.

It got me nothing.
I just gave you go-ahead from league management to pursue option 2.

Would have been nice to get that at 8:39 when I proposed it privately. That didn't get a response. The rant did.

So . . . noted.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:41 pm

I'll be kind since I had a nice FA, and I'll give you Hilton Armstrong to help create a twin tower defensive nightmare with Webber. Imagine that. C-Webb and Hilt the Stilt... Let me know

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42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:16 pm

Hugo wrote:I'll be kind since I had a nice FA, and I'll give you Hilton Armstrong to help create a twin tower defensive nightmare with Webber. Imagine that. C-Webb and Hilt the Stilt... Let me know

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It may come down to that. Not sure, may max out some red red guys, call it a typo, avoid the tank warning.

We'll see.

NickMalone77 · Post by **NickMalone77** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:37 pm

To put this whole issue or whatever to bed, I'm not dropping Buckner at this time. The game is random and selects which bid is accepted and selected and goes from there. I don't hold any ill will towards you and wish for nothing but the best for the Cavs and for your team to be successful.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:41 pm

NickMalone77 wrote:To put this whole issue or whatever to bed, I'm not dropping Buckner at this time. The game is random and selects which bid is accepted and selected and goes from there. I don't hold any ill will towards you and wish for nothing but the best for the Cavs and for your team to be successful.

More rush job by management. I was writing Nick about something else, and he brings this up to me. The facts, of course, are not in his possession in sufficient number, and this is what we get.

Why oh why are the details of my bids that I didn't make public, or the game by virtue of winning bids, being made public?

Post by **IamQuailman** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:02 am

42PhD wrote:
NickMalone77 wrote:To put this whole issue or whatever to bed, I'm not dropping Buckner at this time. The game is random and selects which bid is accepted and selected and goes from there. I don't hold any ill will towards you and wish for nothing but the best for the Cavs and for your team to be successful.

More rush job by management. I was writing Nick about something else, and he brings this up to me. The facts, of course, are not in his possession in sufficient number, and this is what we get.

Why oh why are the details of my bids that I didn't make public, or the game by virtue of winning bids, being made public?

No details of your bids were made public. Since Nick was an involved GM i gave him a heads up to option 2 and what may have been coming, but no where did I reveal the bids issued.

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42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:06 am

IamQuailman wrote:
42PhD wrote:
NickMalone77 wrote:To put this whole issue or whatever to bed, I'm not dropping Buckner at this time. The game is random and selects which bid is accepted and selected and goes from there. I don't hold any ill will towards you and wish for nothing but the best for the Cavs and for your team to be successful.

More rush job by management. I was writing Nick about something else, and he brings this up to me. The facts, of course, are not in his possession in sufficient number, and this is what we get.

Why oh why are the details of my bids that I didn't make public, or the game by virtue of winning bids, being made public?
No details of your bids were made public. Since Nick was an involved GM i gave him a heads up to option 2 and what may have been coming, but no where did I reveal the bids issued.

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That's a detail, just not all the details.

He had a fact, just not all the facts. Looks to make like the Webber bid blocked all other bids, save Marshall due to Bird Rights.

I'm not sure I have all the facts either, which is why I was asking questions about the bids. Looks to me like my bids never made it anyone but Marshall. No, I don't count Webber.

Soundwave · Post by **Soundwave** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:12 am

Marshall signed before the others if that is what you are asking.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:18 am

Soundwave wrote:Marshall signed before the others if that is what you are asking.

The file doesn't read from the bottom up? That is the way it seems in other cases, but perhaps FA is different.

Not sure how I went over the cap, then, and by Marshall's amount exactly since if Marshall was first, my cap would have been reduced.

Post by **IamQuailman** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:21 am

Bottom up. lowest on a date was the earliest to sign.

Soundwave · Post by **Soundwave** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:22 am

Looks like Webber signed for the amount he did, then Marshall signed, then you were out of $$$.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:23 am

This is exactly the crux of the matter.

NOLa. · Post by **NOLa.** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:18 am

Whoaaa

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Post by **ballsohard** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:47 am

42PhD wrote:
NickMalone77 wrote:To put this whole issue or whatever to bed, I'm not dropping Buckner at this time. The game is random and selects which bid is accepted and selected and goes from there. I don't hold any ill will towards you and wish for nothing but the best for the Cavs and for your team to be successful.

More rush job by management. I was writing Nick about something else, and he brings this up to me. The facts, of course, are not in his possession in sufficient number, and this is what we get.

Why oh why are the details of my bids that I didn't make public, or the game by virtue of winning bids, being made public?

Not a rush job. You came on the forum and made a spectacle out of it causing reaction. Nick was given the details, whether it mattered to him or not is on him.

YOU posted this in public and made it messy after I asked you to stop. Which caused me to give you an answer in public. The league started talking about the public matter and Nick started hearing rumblings which is when he approached you.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:07 am

I'll say this. This was tiring af to read.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:30 am

The spectacle got a response when reasoned messages did not.

Nevertheless, I did not tell Nick about my bids, someone else did, and then not enough to actually have the situation make sense. He thinks he won a fair simmed FA. He did not.

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:48 am

The spectacle, not the facts raised, is what is in dispute, yet the deadlines stay fixed, nothing to change despite time pressure being cited as an issue is the FA error.

Still, I have a sooner deadline to make some decision or other about mistake someone else made, no time to follow through or discuss alternatives, not that I was given real consideration prior to making a spectacle, so I can them have less time to make FA bids than others.

All because why?

And even after being robbed of a fair FA, I see no indication of any change that is being made to try to stop the errors from continuing.

Just oops, and you don't have to keep the contract that you didn't ask for IF you hurry.

Oops, you don't have to keep the contract that you didn't ask for IF you hurry, and here is what is changing, finally, about inputting, is a better response.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:43 am

42PhD wrote:The spectacle, not the facts raised, is what is in dispute, yet the deadlines stay fixed, nothing to change despite time pressure being cited as an issue is the FA error.

Still, I have a sooner deadline to make some decision or other about mistake someone else made, no time to follow through or discuss alternatives, not that I was given real consideration prior to making a spectacle, so I can them have less time to make FA bids than others.

All because why?

And even after being robbed of a fair FA, I see no indication of any change that is being made to try to stop the errors from continuing.

Just oops, and you don't have to keep the contract that you didn't ask for IF you hurry.

Oops, you don't have to keep the contract that you didn't ask for IF you hurry, and here is what is changing, finally, about inputting, is a better response.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't they say they would allow our own inputting moving forward like 3 times in this thread? I imagine some sort of technical structure would need to be set up, but that's the solution you want isn't it? What is the goal now?

42PhD · Post by **42PhD** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:49 am

That is set up for UFA 2?

Or that is what they are signing Wig up for? Or that is what Wig wants but we aren't there?

I don't see Wig saying it. I know while he is gone, he is blindly backing removing my fair market bids and maybe my cap space, too, but I don't think they can constrain his future action or his timetable.

And I certainly don't see anything for UFA2 other than hurrying.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:51 am

42PhD wrote:That is set up for UFA 2?

Or that is what they are signing Wig up for? Or that is what Wig wants but we aren't there?

I don't see Wig saying it. I know while he is gone, he is blindly backing removing my fair market bids and maybe my cap space, too, but I don't think they can constrain his future action or his timetable.

And I certainly don't see anything for UFA2 other than hurrying.

So you'd like, what? To pause the offseason until Wig comes back? Good luck on that vote, sir.

TheSyndicate · Post by **TheSyndicate** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:52 am

TheSyndicate wrote:
42PhD wrote:That is set up for UFA 2?

Or that is what they are signing Wig up for? Or that is what Wig wants but we aren't there?

I don't see Wig saying it. I know while he is gone, he is blindly backing removing my fair market bids and maybe my cap space, too, but I don't think they can constrain his future action or his timetable.

And I certainly don't see anything for UFA2 other than hurrying.
So you'd like, what? To pause the offseason until Wig comes back? Good luck on that vote, sir.

There are plenty of rivalries and enemies in this league, and I think that vote would bring them all together. Could be good for league harmony.