Tanking

[IamQuailman]

Addressing a few complaints that I have received lately about tanking here....

People losing games happens. But people losing games by benching/IRing better players (by color grade standards) is unacceptable. This is the 1 thing I have to judge tanking on. I have no problem with playing younger/cornerstone players, so long as they are the same current color rating as the other option.

I.E. - Starting a y/b rookie or y/g 2nd year player over a y/y old player or expiring vet min is acceptable in my book. Starting an o/y or o/g rookie over a y/g or g/g player is unacceptable. Playing them extended minutes off the bench is acceptable, as most people WANT to get some run out of their young guys to get a feel.

If you are going to try something out and are afraid it may look fishy, shoot me a PM and ask/talk to me about it. I'll let you know whether it's cool or not.

I have not given anyone a warning YET, but the warnings will come if I catch something blatant and we've spoken about it before. I'm not an asshole, and I don't like being an asshole. So please don't make me have to be one.

OFFICIAL Warning System:
~ 1st Offense - I'll talk to you about it, discuss complaint made (if applicable) or issue with DC.
~ 2nd Offense - if the blatant adjustments disregarding our first talks persist, a warning will be issued and you will be placed on recommended for 1 sim.
~ 3rd and Final Offense - If it persists after that, you'll be put on recommended the remainder of the season and you will lose the right to claim End of Season points and lose all rights to Rookie Year Mini-Trainings.

Sidenote #1:If you do see something that is blatant and feel the urge to make it known, feel free to message me PRIVATELY with your concerns. I respect the privacy of the matter, in that complaints come in privately (and remain anonymous) and discussions with the accused teams also happen privately. In fact, I have spoken with a few teams already privately and will continue to do so if such a situation arises.

Sidenote #2: If there is anyone out there that thinks that I'm intentionally trying to lose games, call me out. I'll put myself on recommended to set the example if that is sentiment that most feel is true. But I can assure you that so long as players are on my team, I will never bench one guy in favor of another to lose intentionally.

[logpmess]

I don't think this needs clarification but just so everything is clear. "Benching" is going to be based on minutes not actually starting. Right?


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[IamQuailman]

I don't think this needs clarification but just so everything is clear. "Benching" is going to be based on minutes not actually starting. Right?


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Correct, if there's a guy getting only 5 or 0 minutes and he should be getting more then that would be something that qualifies as "benching"

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[NOLa.]

I think you are tanking.

PLEASE DONT BE MAD AND GIVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER AGAIN

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[IamQuailman]

I think you are tanking.

PLEASE DONT BE MAD AND GIVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER AGAIN

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Be my guest and set my lineup this week if you think you can do better.

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[NOLa.]

I think you are tanking.

PLEASE DONT BE MAD AND GIVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER AGAIN

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Be my guest and set my lineup this week if you think you can do better.

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Sawlt life

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[42PhD]

Some people play too many white dudes.

There, I Fryeing said it.

If you want to Generally Manage / Commission by color, you need to be looking at white, not all this red-blue distracting bullshit.

Check my roster, our white dudes play minimally or because of recommended. You guys can fight over how to bucket Arroyo, but I've had inquiries about him, so he's my token honky at best.

[JNR]

Some people play too many white dudes.

There, I WIGGING said it.

If you want to Generally Manage / Commission by color, you need to be looking at white, not all this red-blue distracting bullshit.

Check my roster, our white dudes play minimally or because of recommended. You guys can fight over how to bucket Arroyo, but I've had inquiries about him, so he's my token honky at best.

*hurriedly hides Vlad Rad and Zan Tabak*

[Xist2Inspire]

I start Troy Murphy and I'm proud of it.

[NOLa.]

This thread has quickly turned into a dumpster fire

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[Inner_GI]

This thread has quickly turned into a dumpster fire

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Courtesy of you...

[NOLa.]

This thread has quickly turned into a dumpster fire

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Courtesy of you...

Care to point out?

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[Inner_GI]

This thread has quickly turned into a dumpster fire

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Courtesy of you...

Care to point out?

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I think you are tanking.

PLEASE DONT BE MAD AND GIVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER AGAIN

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Was that necessary?

[NOLa.]

Courtesy of you...

Care to point out?

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I think you are tanking.

PLEASE DONT BE MAD AND GIVE ME THE COLD SHOULDER AGAIN

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Was that necessary?

Did you read the whole first post where he said to tell him?

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[Darth Vegito]

Yay unlocked! Stay out of here trollani!

Ok so I just wanted to point out that going by colors to enforce this rule may not be the way to go. Take a player like Isaiah Rider for example. Very possibly the best offensive player the Magic have. He's yellow/yellow and he's probably better than 90% of green/greens in the league.

Sure judging whether one player is better than another is subjective but that's what your(and council) are there for. Almost nothing can be black and white. I just don't think a player with not a single rating over 60(besides FT) should be getting 40 minutes a game on a 5 win team when there are better options....And there ARE better options.

[Conroy]

Is this the thread we are going to used to discuss different tanking strategies? Mine clearly needs help anyone have any ideas for my team full of yellows?

[RPF]

Yay unlocked! Stay out of here trollani!

Ok so I just wanted to point out that going by colors to enforce this rule may not be the way to go. Take a player like Isaiah Rider for example. Very possibly the best offensive player the Magic have. He's yellow/yellow and he's probably better than 90% of green/greens in the league.

Sure judging whether one player is better than another is subjective but that's what your(and council) are there for. Almost nothing can be black and white. I just don't think a player with not a single rating over 60(besides FT) should be getting 40 minutes a game on a 5 win team when there are better options....And there ARE better options.

[NOLa.]

Wow chad, low blow for real. I didnt troll

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[ballsohard]

Yay unlocked! Stay out of here trollani!

Ok so I just wanted to point out that going by colors to enforce this rule may not be the way to go. Take a player like Isaiah Rider for example. Very possibly the best offensive player the Magic have. He's yellow/yellow and he's probably better than 90% of green/greens in the league.

Sure judging whether one player is better than another is subjective but that's what your(and council) are there for. Almost nothing can be black and white. I just don't think a player with not a single rating over 60(besides FT) should be getting 40 minutes a game on a 5 win team when there are better options....And there ARE better options.

There will always be the case of exceptions being pointed out but when administering overarching rules you have to make blanket statements. Knowing Doug the way we know him, if you can explain why player a is better than player b who's "color" is rated lower then that's fine once you receive the warning. If you can't which will be the case I'd bet 90% of the time, the warning will hold true.

Can we agree to this ?

[coltsguy510]

Sure My Dudes

[Darth Vegito]

Yay unlocked! Stay out of here trollani!

Ok so I just wanted to point out that going by colors to enforce this rule may not be the way to go. Take a player like Isaiah Rider for example. Very possibly the best offensive player the Magic have. He's yellow/yellow and he's probably better than 90% of green/greens in the league.

Sure judging whether one player is better than another is subjective but that's what your(and council) are there for. Almost nothing can be black and white. I just don't think a player with not a single rating over 60(besides FT) should be getting 40 minutes a game on a 5 win team when there are better options....And there ARE better options.

There will always be the case of exceptions being pointed out but when administering overarching rules you have to make blanket statements. Knowing Doug the way we know him, if you can explain why player a is better than player b who's "color" is rated lower then that's fine once you receive the warning. If you can't which will be the case I'd bet 90% of the time, the warning will hold true.

Can we agree to this ?

Yes most definitely agree. The exact case I'm referring to though, it does involve being subjective. People are being sneaky and moving players to different positions where they shouldn't be in order to justify playing an inferior player starter minutes. I'm not trying to undermine either, trust me. I just think it's a blatant violation and wanted to bring it to light. These gms are not as naive as they portray themselves.

[WigNosy]

This is why the "you're the worst!" draft system can't get here fast enough. Threads like this wouldn't exist.

[Darth Vegito]

Also maybe there's something that could be done about the subjectivity. Which I know Doug or anyone else doesn't like. What if there was a certain number. If come..say..SIM #3 and the team has under a certain amount of wins(signs of obvious tankers). Or some kind of litmus(because let's be real, the entire league could agree that certain teams are "tanking"), and once you hit that scale you automatically go on recommended DC and GP. You have no choice. Recommended the whole season. Then it's no longer subjective. You tank and you'll probably be on recommended and the computer will decide what your best dc is asking with your tanking cohorts.

Thoughts?

[42PhD]

While there is bitching about what actions, taken as a whole, constitute tanking as opposed to being bad or stupid (see: Cavaliers), how about someone state what exactly the negative effects are.

If a person puts up an hugely bad, others get an easier pass to playoffs, but it probably all washes out among the competitors.

So is it about groups of people being hugely bad? Those people holding assets while being bad that could be used to help "you" win? (Or someone else)

Is it just less fun for the League?

People may not be able to define something but or point to it (an electron) but they can certainly understand the effects those things have in the world (this screen you are looking at). Conversely, we can make up shit very precisely that does not exist (a unicorn).

So what's the deal? What's the harm?

My personal opinion is you have GM's who simply lose hope, never regain it, and live the dream rather than actually Fryeing play the game. Chasing the draft pick or the star and dreaming is better than having them and still losing (see: Cleveland). If this is not fun, then educate your peers even if it costs you wins, and you may find things turn up.

To avoid mere bitching, I'll post suggestions in a moment.

[coltsguy510]

While there is bitching about what actions, taken as a whole, constitute tanking as opposed to being bad or stupid (see: Cavaliers), how about someone state what exactly the negative effects are.

If a person puts up an hugely bad, others get an easier pass to playoffs, but it probably all washes out among the competitors.

So is it about groups of people being hugely bad? Those people holding assets while being bad that could be used to help "you" win? (Or someone else)

Is it just less fun for the League?

People may not be able to define something but or point to it (an electron) but they can certainly understand the effects those things have in the world (this screen you are looking at). Conversely, we can make up shit very precisely that does not exist (a unicorn).

So what's the deal? What's the harm?

My personal opinion is you have GM's who simply lose hope, never regain it, and live the dream rather than actually WIGGING play the game. Chasing the draft pick or the star and dreaming is better than having them and still losing (see: Cleveland). If this is not fun, then educate your peers even if it costs you wins, and you may find things turn up.

To avoid mere bitching, I'll post suggestions in a moment.

Your posts are too smart for me