Second Round Pick Restricted Free Agency

[42PhD]

Second round picks were traded for points last season, but this season and in many others they are an afterthought. One reason for this is that there are slim pickings that late, but a study (by kucoach I do believe) shows that a respectable porting of the League comes from second round picks. Another reason for this is that if you do strike gold in the second round (or bronze really), you only have a 2y deal and then they hit the open market.

The following proposal is intended to give a relative simply way to increase the value of the second round pick by addressing the contract length issue without disrupting the caps and rosters of people who'd rather not deal with them. The proposal is to add the potential of restricted free agency.

The proposal makes sense on paper, but maybe not in practice . . . without my second proposal, which is forthcoming.

1) Second round picks are handled just as they are now up to the end of the regular season of their second year. If they are waived, all the rest of this does not apply. If they are traded, the below applies.

2) At the end of the the regular season, the their team can exercise their virtual option (no need to change the game). If nothing is done, the player goes into UFA just like now, and none of the below applies. If the option is picked up, they are given two years at the salary of the 3rd and 4th year of the 15th pick in their draft (not the current one). The second year is a team option, just as if the player were the 15th pick in the draft.

3) At this point, they are treated as if they were a virtual 15th pick, including their RFA rights.

4) The virtual option can be exercised if you are in tax arrears, but not the RFA, just like normal. The logic is that 1st round picks have options that do not depend on the tax situation.

The short of it is . . . at the end of the second year, you can basically retroactively handle him as if he was the 15th pick in the draft.

In the NBA, second round picks can be given a variety of deals, and they can be made RFA's. This is a simplified version of what they do. This is in part what let to the weird Asik and Lin deals (not poison pill, that's something else).

Again, this is to reward people who make good second round picks rather than punishing them by taking their talent away while not devaluing late first round picks (they stay cheaper in late seasons, have smaller cap holds, and of course pick from a larger pool). Second round picks have the added flexibility of being waiveable early, which they already have.

Feel free to comment, propose tweaks.

And the second proposal is . . . the stash.

ETA: This can be implemented this season, but if it is, in the interest of impartiality, the Cavaliers will not partake this season if enough swing voters wish it. We have no second rounders on the roster now, and I'd be happy to trade or waive my pick if it went that way.

[kucoach7]

I really like this option. Second round draft picks will usually only be able to make a significant impact after a couple of TCs but if teams are just going to lose them after training them up, they have no reason to hold on to them and we end up with the current situation.

[IamQuailman]

This is definitely a low-maintenance, intriguing idea. I personally love it. If implemented, we would definitely need someone to handle the tracking of the 2nd round releases, etc. It would create a new league responsibility jerb as well as point grab.

[42PhD]

This is definitely a low-maintenance, intriguing idea. I personally love it. If implemented, we would definitely need someone to handle the tracking of the 2nd round releases, etc. It would create a new league responsibility jerb as well as point grab.

I think so, particularly if it got popular. Maybe 10 players to track realistically on average. Not killer, but not negligible.

[TheSyndicate]

I'm into it.

[42PhD]

I'm into it.

I rescind the suggestion.

[42PhD]

Bump

[WigNosy]

Even though this happens infrequently, I think it is worthy of considering a way to reward teams for adroit second round picks. I would only suggest as a modification that instead of applying the cap hold of the 15th pick to the player, I would prefer to apply the cap hold of the 29th pick to the player in question.

[42PhD]

Bump. I toyed with that. Let me retort later. I am not going to due on the 15th pick hill.

[42PhD]

15th pick issue: So, my initial thought was to use the 29th pick, too, however, this actually makes the 30th pick more valuable than the 29th pick in many ways, particularly if we agree that the talent level is still flat there and deep enough, variable enough to make elimination of one option not a significant cost. In the first two seasons, the cost of 30 v 29 is about double, and 30 can be waived in an instant by the contract holder. Also, the decision about the future years can be delayed until the last minute.

By adding cost to later years, the "game" is a little more complex. I chose 15 because it is the middle of the draft and the latter years cost is about 50% higher than at 29, basically kind of making the total payout equal to that of 29... It is a kind of realism you may find in a CBA.

We can pick another number (a nice one like 20 or a weird one like 17 or 23), but it should not give a clear advantage to pick 30 over pick 29 (consider this last draft where there could have realistically been someone paid to take a pick). Creating some situational advantage and varied cost-benefits is the point, but we should preserve the value of first round picks.

[42PhD]

Slow night. Bump for discussion. May see about a vote soon.

So far general support, some discussion on small money matters... What value year 3, 4 go to.

[42PhD]

Not to complicate matters, but this is an idea that is related to the stash and I thought had support, save one detail.

I would like Eazy to bump this, however.

[Bowtothebill23]

Question about this: this seemed like a pretty well supported idea with no real opposition. Was there a reason this never went to a vote?

[TheSyndicate]

Question about this: this seemed like a pretty well supported idea with no real opposition. Was there a reason this never went to a vote?

I'll give you one guess (but you'll need 2 numbers)

[Bowtothebill23]

Question about this: this seemed like a pretty well supported idea with no real opposition. Was there a reason this never went to a vote?

I'll give you one guess (but you'll need 2 numbers)

I got that part. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea though.

[TheSyndicate]

Question about this: this seemed like a pretty well supported idea with no real opposition. Was there a reason this never went to a vote?

I'll give you one guess (but you'll need 2 numbers)

I got that part. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea though.

I don't disagree. I was just answering your question, amigo.

[78#]

I'm for it as well.

[WigNosy]

Please bump this again near the end of the season to remind me.

[Bowtothebill23]

This has been brought up a few times (started by forty freaking two) but never voted on. I think it's a good idea especially with second rounders now potentially being worth something.

Seems like rules were pretty straightforward:
-Same as regular RFA where all players are in same pool.
-Cap holds for all second rounders are 0.5% lower than the cap hold for the 29th/30th pick.